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Interview with Betty Stike, August 31, 2006
August 31, 2006
Mrs. Betty Holden Stike reflects on her career in this visual oral history interview. She taught in the North Carolina public schools for 24 years and then at UNCW from 1964 until 1985. Mrs. Stike taught elementary education and supervised student teachers. She remembers working for a small department; in fact, she was the second faculty member in education. The other faculty member was the chair of education, Harold Hulon, who hired her. She discusses William Madison Randall, Madeline Wagoner, Helen Hagan, Dorothy Marshall and others who were influential to the life and history of Wilmington College and UNCW. Mrs. Stike earned a master's degree in education from East Carolina. (Mentioned when cameras were off: Her father founded/owned Holden Beach. He was killed during Hurricane Hazel, while outside doing storm.)
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Interviewee: Stike, Betty Interviewer: Riggins, Adina Date of Interview: 8/31/2006 Series: Voices of UNCW - Faculty/Staff Length: 60 minutes

Riggins: Hello. Today is August 31, 2006; my name is Adina Riggins. I am the university archivist at UNCW. I have the honor of being in the home of one of our interviewees for the Voices of UNCW Oral History program. I'm very excited to get this person's story and history for our oral history collection. Ms. Stike, please introduce yourself for the camera.

Betty Stike: I'm Betty Stike. I was at the University twenty-one and a half years. I grew up over in Brunswick, I went to school there and then I went to Appalachia; I got my B.S. at Appalachian and then I started teaching, and later I went to East Carolina (phone rings) and did my graduate work.

Riggins: Would you like to stop for the phone? We can stop. We're back. You were saying that you grew up in Brunswick County. A local.

Betty Stike: Grew up in Brunswick, was educated there, in the high school there. And then I went to Appalachian.

Riggins: How did you find yourself there in the mountains?

Betty Stike: Well, I had a cousin who lived there and she just thought I should go to Appalachian and I'm very happy that I went there. I got my B.S. degree there, met my husband there. He was a West Virginian, so at that time Appalachia was a teacher's college so everyone who went there was trained to be a teacher, and we taught six years and then he decided that there was probably something else that would be better paying, and we were a family, so we came to Wilmington and I've been here since '41.

Riggins: My goodness. A true local. Did you teach in the schools in Boone?

Betty Stike: Well, I taught in the schools in Brunswick and then I was in Harnett County for a while. My husband and I both taught there through the years, then we came to Wilmington, and he had a degree in business from Bluefield College, so when we came to Wilmington, he went with the power company, which was the old Tidewater Power Company. And while he was on the job someone from the Pullman Company interviewed him and wanted him to come to the office of the Pullman Company. At that time the Pullman Company was separate from the railroad but the railroad pulled the Pullman cars. So he was with the Pullman Company, but he passed away in '46, and then I went back to teaching. I had a little boy, my son John was born in '42, and then I went back to teaching after I lost my husband. And I taught here in the local schools, and it was at old Chestnut School, and someone from the University, which was then Wilmington College came and interviewed me and wanted me to go out there and teach a reading course. And I guess, his interview was in the spring, I think in April, so he said, would you come and teach a reading course for us this summer on the campus. So I agreed. Started teaching and in about two weeks, he called me in for an interview and asked me if I would come to the university the fall quarter.

Riggins: Was this Dr. Hulon?

Betty Stike: This was Dr. Hulon. And he wanted me to come on the staff, and teach the methods classes and supervise student teachers. And that was the first, that was-- Dr. Hulon was the first member of the school of education. And I was the second member of the school of education.

Riggins: Really. So he was doing it by himself?

Betty Stike: He was. He was there a year alone. And then he asked me to come the second year, because he'd done the foundation courses and he needed somebody to do methods and supervise the student teachers. So I agreed. At that time, we had quarters and so I was teaching methods and I think I taught a basic education course at that time, that was the first quarter. And the second quarter, I continued doing that. But the third quarter, he sent the student teachers out to do their student teaching and I supervised the first group that went out. And I went to the university in the summer of '64, and so we graduated the first class in '65, I think it was. At that time it was Wilmington College.

Riggins: This was the first class?

Betty Stike: It was the first class?

Riggins: Was this a four year, bachelor's degree, or was it a two-year degree?

Betty Stike: It was a four year degree.

Riggins: So the first class was '65. Okay.

Betty Stike: At that time, Dr. Randall was chancellor. And an interesting story about Dr. Randall, Dr. Randall and Ms. Randall had been south and they were traveling on Highway 17 over in Brunswick, and he had a terrible accident and my brother from Holden Beach was the first one to him. He was traveling down 17, 'course he came across the accident, so he was the first one. So I just always had a special interest in Dr. Randall.

Riggins: So your brother went and got help and-

Betty Stike: Yes, he helped to get him to the hospital, and he was quite ill for sometime. It was a terrible accident. But I remember Dr. Randall was our first chancellor and then Dr. Wagoner came, in '68.

Riggins: You have a great memory.

Betty Stike: Then we became, after he came, we became a part of the university, so then we were known as UNCW. So I've seen Dr. Randall as chancellor, I've seen Dr. Wagoner as chancellor; what's the next one?

Riggins: Leutze.

Betty Stike: Dr. Leutze. And Dr. DePaolo.

Riggins: You've seen a lot of change.

Betty Stike: Yes, a lot of changes. At the time I went to the university, there were three buildings.

Riggins: And where was the department of education?

Betty Stike: That was in Hoggard Hall. And our office was a just a little cubicle up on the second floor and I think math, their offices were in the same place we had ours, and business was in there, and psychology. Can you imagine all of those huddled in little cubicles. But our classes were taught in that building.

Riggins: Classes were also taught in Hoggard?

Betty Stike: Yes. And that's the way we started out.

Riggins: How did Dr. Hulon find you or know about you, do you know?

Betty Stike: Well, that's a good question. I was teaching at Chestnut Street School, old Chestnut Street School. And he called the principal and said I'd like to come interview Betty Stike. So he came that afternoon, and I told the teachers someone was coming but I didn't know what they were coming for. So they said, oh well, we can imagine. So that's when he asked me to come to the university.

Riggins: What grade were you teaching?

Betty Stike: I was teaching second grade.

Riggins: And did you always teach that grade before?

Betty Stike: Second and third.

Riggins: What did you like about that age group?

Betty Stike: I liked the curriculum and I liked working with children. I liked children, working with children that age, because they're so impressive, and I think these early teachers mold lives, and it was so rewarding.

Riggins: That's wonderful.

Betty Stike: And then of course, I think I had mentioned, I went to East Carolina and got my graduate degree.

Riggins: That was while you were teaching at UNCW?

Betty Stike: While I was teaching, I was going to East Carolina to get my master's. But it was wonderful. It was just wonderful years, and it's so rewarding now because student teachers come back to me and tell me how much they got from their student teaching experience.

Riggins: When Dr. Hulon came to talk to you about this, were you interested right away?

Betty Stike: I told him I'd have to think about it. I said give me a couple of weeks to think about this. And then that was my answer. Dr. Reynolds was then the one who employed new staff members. So I had to go to him for an interview, too. But those were happy days back then.

Riggins: How did you feel about teaching college students or people who wanted to be teachers? Were you--

Betty Stike: Well, I was so anxious to teach because I wanted my love for teaching to rub off and I felt that if I could model some teaching for them, that it would open a door for them.

Riggins: You must have taught in the public schools for a long time.

Betty Stike: 24 years.

Riggins: 24 years in the public schools.

Betty Stike: 24 years.

Riggins: Well, that in and of itself deserves a medal.

Betty Stike: And then I taught at the university twenty-one and a half.

Riggins: 24 years in the public schools. All at Chestnut School? No, that's right, you started off at--

Betty Stike: I first taught some over in Brunswick and then in Harnett and then to New Hanover. I was at Sunset in this school district, and then I went to Chestnut.

Riggins: 24 years. Well, you must have seen a lot of changes during that time?

Betty Stike: Oh, yes. I saw the change from quarter system to semester system, which was wonderful. We needed that. Just a lot of changes and our library, when I first went, it was very small. Over in the administration building. And then it moved to the big library, and of course, we were very proud of this library. When I left the university, I gave my library to the school of education and what they didn't need they gave to the bigger library.

Riggins: Let's talk about the school of education. You were the second professor after Dr. Hulon, so it was very small and you taught, well, you taught the methods courses and the teacher training.

Betty Stike: And he taught foundation courses and I taught the methods courses, which is a pre-requisite for student teaching, and I supervised student teachers. I supervised student teachers here in this county, we had them in Brunswick, we had them in Columbus, we had them in Jacksonville, we had them up in Tender County, and we had some in Deerfield. And so you can imagine how I was traveling, took a lot of traveling.

Riggins: What were your students like in these early days?

Betty Stike: Very receptive. They wanted to do this, very eager. Many of them today say, oh, those student teaching days, when we worked on lesson plans. I was always interested in hearing from the supervising teacher in the classroom where the student teacher was placed, most of them very, very complimentary of our students. The principals, I always interviewed them and talked to them about our student teachers and they were always anxious to get student teachers because it would help for those supervising teachers to have a second person in there. When I first started there were no teacher aides and see, the teacher was in the classroom alone. Then, when the state appropriated the aides, then student teachers had to plan their lesson plans and they had to plan for their aide, what she was to do each day, so that was extra planning.

Riggins: So it changed things.

Betty Stike: Oh, big change. Big change.

Riggins: And now I don't know if there are aides in every classroom, but maybe for some of the younger grades there's aides. Do you remember Neal Eakins, the secretary?

Betty Stike: Oh, yes, I remember her.

Riggins: I interviewed her before she passed away.

Betty Stike: Did you go over to the home where she was?

Riggins: Yes. She was very complimentary of her time there. She talked about how there was one telephone for the whole department.

Betty Stike: Right. That's right. And she told you she traveled from Atkinson?

Riggins: Yes.

Betty Stike: She had that long trip every day, but she was in there, she was the first one in every morning. Bright as all. And sometimes she brung us big boxes of peanut brittle she'd made the night before. She was always so thoughtful of each staff member and she grew lots of daffodils in the spring and when they were blooming, she'd come in with great big bunches of flowers. She really looked after us. Oh, I remember, we would do student evaluations at the end of the semester, and back then she had to type all those, I think of the typing she did, and today the technology is so different, entirely different.

Riggins: Yeah, she was dedicated. She looked after Dr. Hulon, too?

Betty Stike: Yes.

Riggins: Well, what was Dr. Hulon's style like? His leadership style?

Betty Stike: He wanted every student teacher to do the very best they could, and if we had one that maybe wasn't coming up to our goals, then he would call them in and he'd say, "Now, we've got to shape up, if we're staying in the program." Because the state department expected us to license these teachers, and we couldn't send one out that wasn't qualified. This was our responsibility, was to see that they were qualified. But we've had some excellent, excellent, excellent teachers. Some of my student teachers are now over at the school of education.

Riggins: They came back?

Betty Stike: Yes. I think that speaks well for them.

Riggins: And do you continue to see some of the alumni around town?

Betty Stike: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I have student teachers out of the country teaching. They've taken advantage of their education and we're pleased. But I started in Hoggard Hall; then I went over to the music building. And then we came over to King Hall. But I left in King Hall. So now we have that beautiful school of education.

Riggins: And you've been over there?

Betty Stike: Oh, yeah, several times.

Riggins: For some events?

Betty Stike: I'm so proud that they have named the learning lab in my honor, and you've seen that?

Riggins: Yes. It's the Betty Holden Stike-

Betty Stike: And I feel so good about what they're doing in there. The materials are just superior and I understand they have a waiting list.

Riggins: For the children?

Betty Stike: Yes, children who want to come in. And parents are so complimentary. Parents are so pleased.

Riggins: That's a great program, it's where students tutor--

Betty Stike: Student teachers before they go out to teach, tutor these students that are coming in and parents say the students have just progressed so much under this tutorship. I'm just sorry we can't take care of all those--

Riggins: Of everybody.

Betty Stike: And that's a wonderful service for this community and parents recognize it.

Riggins: Do you remember when you were in the music building, that the department of psychology was in there, too. Were there some laboratory animals? I've heard stories there were some laboratory animals that the folks in psychology were using?

Betty Stike: Well, they did that, but I'm not sure that I recall that.

Riggins: And I guess Eleanor Wright was in psychology for a while, educational psychology and then switched over to education.

Betty Stike: Special Ed.

Riggins: Who else was influential while you were there? I guess you saw a lot of people come in, a lot of the new folks, well, they're not really new anymore.

Betty Stike: While I was there, I saw Dr. Harkin come in; I saw the Hayes' come in. Hathia and Andy Hayes.

Riggins: I interviewed them, they just retired.

Betty Stike: Just retired, they're special friends of mine. And I saw Grace Burton come in-

Riggins: And Paz?

Betty Stike: Paz, uh-huh. Paz was, I can't remember, was she the fifth or sixth? Saul Bachner and Paz, along about the same time, I guess.

Riggins: And Saul came in '71 and she may have come just after. But it would have been Eleanor Wright and you--

Betty Stike: Eleanor was here before the Hayes's came.

Riggins: And Calvin Doss. Do you remember Calvin Doss?

Betty Stike: Oh, yes, yes. But we just had some wonderful people to work with.

Riggins: And Harold Hulon. Paz may have been about the fifth person. So she was probably a colleague of yours? You both worked in elementary education?

Betty Stike: Paz, yes. Paz was working with the elementary and so was I. Now, Paz supervised the high school, and I had some in junior high back then, when we had junior high before they went to middle grades. So some of my teachers were placed in junior high.

Riggins: You had to pitch in, right?

Betty Stike: Yes, yes.

Riggins: And I believe Norman Kaylor's wife-- were you there when she worked and supervised some of the student teachers?

Betty Stike: Yes, I think maybe she was doing that about the time I left. I think so. But I did the majority of the elementary; I did all of it until Paz came in.

Riggins: And she came in the early '70s? '72; '73?

Betty Stike: Yes, yes.

Riggins: So you did all of it and then when she came you got some assistance?

Betty Stike: Then she took the lower elementary and I took the upper. However, if we had student teachers in Jacksonville, if they were placed in second grade, I had that; if they were placed in fifth grade, I had that.

Riggins: You kept that geographical area; you did all of Jacksonville?

Betty Stike: Yes, yes, at that time, yes.

Riggins: You put quite a lot of miles on your car.

Betty Stike: Yes, a lot of miles. All the way up to Whiteville.

Riggins: State car?

Betty Stike: Drove the state car very little. I was paid mileage on my car and that's the way back then, that's the way supervising teachers traveled. It was hard to get a state car arranged each day that I needed it. We didn't have that many state cars then. Funds were limited.

Riggins: Oh yes. Well, let's talk about that. I've heard that, for example, when Dr. Hulon was there, funds were very limited--

Betty Stike: Very limited, very limited.

Riggins: For things like supplies.

Betty Stike: Supplies were limited. We just-- well, I can't believe the abundance they have now compared to what we had. It was the same thing with salaries, the state just wasn't just appropriating staff salaries as much. Of course, they've gotten the biggest raise this past year, but we've come a long way.

Riggins: Back when the college was not part of the state system, the funds must have been so limited because it was just whatever they could get from the county and whatever the state felt like helping with, but it wasn't obligatory for the state to help. So I can imagine.

Betty Stike: It was one of the finest things that could have happened, that we became part of the greater university.

Riggins: I think Dr. Randall must have done a lot-- it happened just after he left, but he set it all up.

Betty Stike: He laid the ground work. He had so much vision. Wilmington College was founded on his expertise, and he was just outstanding.

Riggins: What do you remember about him? There's a librarian at UNCW, Sue Cody; you might remember Sue. She's writing a book about Dr. Randall. So she'll probably want to talk to you. But just in case she gets to see this, what would you say about Dr. Randall? One thing I heard was that he liked to come to the coffee breaks with the faculty?

Betty Stike: And you heard that he did like to come?

Riggins: Yes.

Betty Stike: Yes, yes, he was very folksy. Very folksy. And he believed in a good morale in his faculty. And back then we were small and then when Dr. Wagoner came, we-- some of them thought it would be nice to have a faculty wives group and that got organized and we'd go to the Kenan House where the Wagoners lived and she would have the little party. And at Christmas time, we would carry little gifts and we'd exchange. And I remember one year I got Madeline's gift and it was a jar of pickled figs and they were delicious. So I called Madeline a few days after that, after opening them, and I said, "Madeline, do you share recipes?" And she said, "I surely do, what do you want?" "I want your fig pickle recipe." She gave it to me. And every year since then when I get figs I make pickles. And now, after I moved over here, I have a fig tree outside my patio wall and so I have figs every year.

Riggins: That makes you think of her, I'm sure?

Betty Stike: Yes.

Riggins: I've heard she was a very lovely woman.

Betty Stike: Lovely person. Oh, she was so gracious, just so gracious. And we were sorry, it was just too bad, the way she went. And an accomplished musician. She was an organist, organist at the Episcopal Church on 16th; St. John's-- St. Paul's Episcopal. On 16th. So she could just walk across the street. You know she had polio when she was a small child, and the doctors told her mother to start her on the piano to give her that finger exercise, and she went on to major in music.

Riggins: So she took to it?

Betty Stike: Yes, yes. All because of her handicap. But she took advantage of it. And before, this was before they moved over to Kenan House, she did some public school music in the schools, just a short while, for a short while.

Riggins: She taught?

Betty Stike: Taught. She taught public schools, music in the public schools, just for a short while.

Riggins: Was it visible that she had polio? Did she walk with a limp?

Betty Stike: I think she walked all right, but she had that weakness in her hands. Dr. Wagoner said you could notice it as she worked in the kitchen lifting plates and heavy things.

Riggins: I guess it would have been even worse if she didn't play the piano.

Betty Stike: That was her therapy.

Riggins: And she lived in Kenan House then for a long time.

Betty Stike: Yes, and then you know they moved over in Glen Meade, not far from me here. And that's where they were when they passed away.

Riggins: And her younger son, we did interview him.

Betty Stike: I understand that-- is he on the campus?

Riggins: Yes, I'm not sure if he still is, but he did enroll again, to finish his degree a few years back.

Betty Stike: Did he finish it?

Riggins: He might have. I can't say. I haven't checked. But yeah, it was great. We liked talking to Mark and getting his story.

Betty Stike: I remember years ago, it was at Christmas time and I think it was Christmas Eve, the phone rang about two o'clock in the morning and Dr. Wagoner said, "Betty, one of my sons--," and I don't recall the one. I think it was the little one, see, he had three sons. "--has a severe toothache. Do you think your son--" My son was a dentist. "Do you think he could help him?" I said, "Well, he's not here, he's at his house." And I gave him the number, so I said call him and see if you can help them. He had a call center, so evidently they were able to get the toothaching to stop. But I remember that so well.

Riggins: Sounds like everybody knew each other on a first name basis, to call each other for help.

Betty Stike: Oh, yes. We just had a wonderful time. We were small enough to know everybody. Just like the faculty wives when we'd meet, everybody knew one another.

Riggins: So you participated in that group, even though you were a member of the faculty?

Betty Stike: Yes. It was for faculty wives and women professors.

Riggins: Female faculty. Interesting. That group of course is not around. Do you remember Jeannie Davies (ph?); her husband was on the faculty? She was in the faculty wives club.

Betty Stike: The name is familiar.

Riggins: She passed away just this year. Yeah, you certainly knew everyone; you were colleagues but you were not just colleagues, you were also friends; is that correct?

Betty Stike: Absolutely, yes.

Riggins: And it worked out--

Betty Stike: We just had such good relationships with one another. I feel like that some of that has carried on in the school of education, because I go out there and there's just a warm feeling amongst the faculty there, which I think is good. And students need to see this.

Riggins: Need to see people enjoying their work. That is a beautiful school of education. Did you go for the opening?

Betty Stike: Oh, yes. I was right there.

Riggins: And they announced your name, I'm sure?

Betty Stike: I go each year for the scholarship donors.

Riggins: Okay, because you have a scholarship.

Betty Stike: Yes, I have a scholarship set up in my name. I believe in that. I believe in that.

Riggins: Who is designated for your scholarship? Is it a student who will obviously be majoring in education?

Betty Stike: Yes. And I belong to the North Carolina Sorosis Women's Club. And we give a scholarship. And I also belong to the Alpha Delta Kappa International Sorority for women educators. And we give a scholarship, and each one is designated for the school of education at UNCW. Yes. All three of them. I was there and saw students in so much need. I've always been concerned, there're so many worthy students there that need help. Some of them on their own, paying their own way. Not all have parents to help. So I feel like the scholarships pay off. I had one student and she was on the North Carolina Sorosis Women's Club scholarship, and she was almost a straight A student, and she worked so hard and there were some extra courses she wanted, so she came to us and asked us if we could extend her scholarship. At that time we started with a freshman and we kept them all four years in a scholarship, so we extended it to the fifth year for her. Now, the school of ed selects these students. But back then, when we first started, the committee from the Woman's Club selected a high school graduate. We were so pleased with her. She went on to become a physical therapist and she's now working at Cape Fear Hospital.

(phone rings)

Riggins: All right, we're back and I wanted to ask about someone else from Wilmington College, who I'm sure you remember well; that's Dorothy Marshall.

Betty Stike: Oh, one of my very best friends.

Riggins: Yes, how's she doing?

Betty Stike: She's doing very, very well. She and I have had some wonderful trips together. With Frances Parnell. You've heard about Frances Parnell? Trips? Her husband, Jim, was in the biology department.

Riggins: Yes, I did interview him as well.

Betty Stike: And we've traveled with Frances on some wonderful trips, I was scheduled to go with her, Frances, last December; I had to cancel.

Riggins: Oh, because of your injury?

Betty Stike: (inaudible). But she and I go to all the university functions, we're invited to, we go together. She's a wonderful person.

Riggins: Frances or Dorothy--

Betty Stike: Both. Dorothy and I are so close. We're in touch with one another all the time. See, Dorothy lives over in Jumpin' Run.

Riggins: That's close by.

Betty Stike: Have you interviewed her?

Riggins: Yes, I have. She was good. She was just a very elegant lady. I've also learned about her from other people who've talked to me about what she was like to work with and she was such a good leader. She's very involved in the school of education now, too, isn't she?

Betty Stike: Very, very.

Riggins: She's been on the board of visitors.

Betty Stike: Board of visitors, and the scholarship. She and I are in touch with one another all the time.

Riggins: So you still see her frequently. Did you know people outside of the department? One person I interviewed recently was Isabell Foushee.

Betty Stike: Oh yes, I knew Isabell. At one time Isabell taught a class for us in the school of education, children's literature. I don't think she taught that very long, but yes, I know Isabell. And I see her at the retired faculty luncheons twice a year. You know, we have one in the spring and one at Christmas. And I see her there. And of course I see Marshall Crews there.

Riggins: Yes, how is he doing?

Betty Stike: Not too good. He hasn't been to the last two retired faculty luncheons. I think it's the last two.

Riggins: Are you familiar with the order of the Issac Bear Society?

Betty Stike: I was there the day they put up the marker. But see, I never taught at the Issac Bear building.

Riggins: I think now the society has expanded, it's not just people who taught in the Isaac Bear building.

Betty Stike: I think it's for others, too.

Riggins: So you'll probably get contacted about that. Well, Dorothy Marshall of course worked in the Isaac Bear building, so she's in that.

Betty Stike: See, Dorothy was one of the first group; this was her first job when she came out of East Carolina, so she's been there a long time.

Riggins: Oh, yeah, a very long time.

Betty Stike: Eleanor Cheek (ph?) was a very outstanding professor. She was in languages. And she was dean of the women at one time.

Riggins: Dean of Women Students, right, and Mary Bellamy.

Betty Stike: Mary Bellamy. Mary also was in languages. Mary was always so outgoing, we always enjoyed Mary. Her husband was superintendent of schools at one time. They lived down there in the historic district, in the house she was reared in.

Riggins: Yes, they bought it back.

Betty Stike: Have you been there?

Riggins: Yes, it was beautiful.

Betty Stike: You went to the house?

Riggins: She told us the story about how that's the house she grew up in and she ended up buying it.

Betty Stike: And that little stairway going upstairs?

Riggins: Mm-mm. So you say you retired officially in '83, but they asked you to stay on and supervise the student teachers some more.

Betty Stike: Yes, I stayed on two more years, until '85.

Riggins: And what was it like, by the time you left, obviously the school of education was much bigger--

Betty Stike: Oh, it was much bigger, much bigger. Faculty much larger, and more courses being offered and the student teacher placements had expanded. Naturally as we got more students, we needed more placements. But the schools have been receptive in placing student teachers and we've had good rapport with the schools, which is always helpful.

Riggins: You must have been there when Noel Jones came?

Betty Stike: Oh, Noel, I remember when he came, yes. He was always one of those jolly faculty members, positive attitude. Everyone enjoyed Noel.

Riggins: Yes, I interviewed him before he retired.

Betty Stike: Did you go into his home?

Riggins: No, I didn't. He came to the university. But he told me about the home in Maine that they're also at work on.

(phone rings)

Riggins: We're back. We're talking about some of the people in the school of education. Noel Jones was one; you said he was always very cheerful. He taught in reading.

Betty Stike: That was his particular specialty. Reading Recovery program. And I think he's worked with the adjoining counties with the Reading Recovery program, which is outstanding. This is the focus, reading, we just can't stress it too much.

Riggins: And of course, Hathia Hayes came later, but she would have come when you were here. Hathia Hayes and Andy Hayes?

Betty Stike: Yes.

Riggins: I interviewed both of them.

Betty Stike: And they did so much for the school of education, but outside of the school of education, here in the community they contributed so much to the field of art.

Riggins: Yes, they really have expertise.

Betty Stike: And the community just has been so fortunate to have them here. They've had a special interest in the art museum over here, the Cameron Art Museum. Just outstanding.

Riggins: He served as an interim director for a while for St. John's and for Cameron.

Betty Stike: I like to see our staff members community oriented, too, offer something to the community.

Riggins: Definitely. Make their presence known. It helps to challenge the image that academia and faculty are all by themselves. And Dr. Tyndell was like that, too. You must have been there when Dr. Tyndall arrived just as a lecturer? He started off as a lecturer, teacher?

Betty Stike: He did, he did, he did. I think he's been very happy at the university.

Riggins: I think so. He's done a lot.

Betty Stike: Ty Rowell?

Riggins: Yes.

Betty Stike: He's just one of those special people.

Riggins: He sure is.

Betty Stike: Have you interviewed him?

Riggins: Well, we haven't, not yet.

Betty Stike: Now, you talk about knowing the history of UNCW, he has it. Because he worked over in the main office. He knew everything that was happening, how it happened, when it was going to happen. He's a walking historian of UNCW.

Riggins: Oh, yeah, and it's because he just learned so much while he was there. And he did interviews like this on audio tape and talked to people and learned all about them and really developed good relationships.

Betty Stike: He'll be missed when he leaves.

Riggins: Yes, and he's actually based in the school of education.

Betty Stike: His office is over in our building. I'm telling you, he has the nicest office, overlooking the trees and the vegetation. He's up on the third floor, isn't he? Second floor. At the back, where it overlooks the greenery. Which I think is a plus.

Riggins: Well, that new building is such an asset.

Betty Stike: Did you get to interview Doug Swink before he passed away?

Riggins: Unfortunately, I did not.

Betty Stike: In drama.

Riggins: What was he like?

Betty Stike: Well, just a fun person. Fun person. He gave a lot to the community, working down at Thalian Hall. He and his wife both, very special.

Riggins: That's what I've heard. And he did so much for the college and the university, directing play after play.

Betty Stike: Oh yes. And the drama department and the art department were all in the Hoggard building when I was over there. They were down on the first floor. Education and math and psychology and business were on that second floor.

Riggins: Amazing. Crowded.

Betty Stike: But we made it, we made it.

Riggins: And then the library was in Alderman at that time?

Betty Stike: Yes.

Riggins: And the chancellor, or the president was in Alderman at the time?

Betty Stike: Yes, his office was there.

Riggins: And then James Hall?

Betty Stike: And Dr. Reynolds office.

Riggins: Was in Alderman.

Betty Stike: All in Alderman.

Riggins: And what did James Hall have at the time?

Betty Stike: James Hall. That was students, that was student activities, student services. And look at what we have today for student services.

Riggins: Oh yeah, the new student center.

Betty Stike: The Fisher. The Fisher Center.

Riggins: Yes, I interviewed them, just a couple of months ago. They were wonderful people to interview.

Betty Stike: I'm sure that the students are going to enjoy the building.

Riggins: Oh yeah, it's designed for them, for their use.

Betty Stike: It's a state of the art building. I was there for the dedication. I was there for the first dedication when the trustees were there. August 3rd. Dorothy and I went.

Riggins: So you go to all those things and--

Betty Stike: See, I've known the Fishers for years and years; good friends of mine.

Riggins: Well, yeah, they've certainly been here a while. They're wonderful people to do that. It's amazing the impact that building will have on thousands and thousands of students.

Betty Stike: See, I remember his Varsity building down there by New Hanover High, where he served high school students and college students, Wilmington College students, and I think it was so appropriate that they named the Varsity in this new building.

Riggins: Yeah, it was a great idea. Speaking of the library, do you remember Helen Hagan?

Betty Stike: Helen Hagan I remember, very well, very well.

Riggins: I've heard such good things about her.

Betty Stike: Oh, she was a very poised person, very intellectual, wanted the best for UNCW. I remember her going to our Christmas party, faculty wives, we called it; faculty wives and professors. She belonged to my church and she helped in our church library. Very caring person. But when she retired, she left Wilmington and I can't remember where her home was, was it back in the Atlanta area?

Riggins: That sounds familiar. I'm not sure.

Betty Stike: She was a wonderful person.

Riggins: What church did you go to?

Betty Stike: First Baptist.

Riggins: I really would have liked to have known her, everyone says such wonderful things about her.

Betty Stike: Oh, just a wonderful person. And she wanted the best library that could be had.

Riggins: Very professional.

Betty Stike: Very, very. But it was small. There again, we didn't have the money to do all the things. I haven't been in our library right lately, but the last time I went, it is amazing, it is amazing.

Riggins: Yeah. Do you like it? That's of course where I work. Yeah, it is amazing. It's a huge building and there's a lot going on. Lots of technology.

Betty Stike: Lots of technology.

Riggins: Well, she directed the library as it earned accreditation; she had to build up the collection to a certain number, so she worked real hard on that.

Betty Stike: Right, that was her responsibility.

Riggins: I interviewed Betty Sue Westbrook a number of years ago and she talked to me about that. Do you remember Betty Sue Westbrook?

Betty Stike: Oh, yes.

Riggins: I hear she doesn't drive, I don't think, any more.

Betty Stike: I haven't heard from her in a long time. Have you been to meet her?

Riggins: Yes, ma'm. She talked to me about Helen Hagan and how hard she worked to get it up to accreditation. I don't know if you remember Louise Jackson, also from the library?

Betty Stike: Yes, yes.

Riggins: We had some wonderful librarians. We were lucky; they laid the groundwork.

Betty Stike: She was wonderful, yes. That goes way back.

Riggins: Very friendly, helpful, intelligent.

Betty Stike: And we were so small then, everybody knew everybody. The students are really taking advantage of our new library, aren't they?

Riggins: Oh, yeah.

Betty Stike: It's a busy place, isn't it?

Riggins: It is, we remain busy. We sure do. You were there probably when it expanded in the late '70s under Dr. Hugelet or Mr. Hugelet, Gene Hugelet?

Betty Stike: I knew him. And his wife was at Winter Park, she supervised student teachers for me.

Riggins: And then she went back and got her graduate degree from the school of ed.

Betty Stike: She may have been at Ogden at first, I'm not sure, but anyway, wonderful couple. They did a lot for the university.

Riggins: They sure did. We're closing in on our hour. What have I forgotten to ask about?

Betty Stike: Well, I just know I'm enjoying retirement. I recommend it.

Riggins: What are you doing in your retirement? You've had a long retirement, which is wonderful.

Betty Stike: I go to the soup kitchen every Monday morning; this past Monday we fed 200 people and we average 175 at least, most days. I'm active in the church, I do some church work. I play some bridge. I'm very active in the North Carolina Sorosis Women's Club. We'll be starting up in September. We do not meet in June and July. So I'll be back to that. And I attend the ADK, Alpha Delta Kappa, meetings and it's ongoing.

Riggins: And you have family nearby?

Betty Stike: My son lives here, for which I'm grateful. My family is at Holden Beach. My great grandfather owned Holden Beach.

Riggins: And that's your last name, Holden.

Betty Stike: I was Holden. Interesting place. I remember going to Holden Beach when there wasn't a cottage. I remember when my grandfather built a hotel, that was the first building on the beach.

Riggins: He developed the beach.

Betty Stike: Of course, Hazel took it away. You've heard about Hazel?

Riggins: Oh yes.

Betty Stike: And the beach has just grown, grown, grown. I remember the ferry, you had to cross over in the ferry, carried two cars and then we got a bridge, we got a drawbridge, and now we have that beautiful high span bridge. Have you been to Holden?

Riggins: Yes. Do you have a place there?

Betty Stike: I had a place up until ninety-- 2001, I sold it. Spent over 50 summers down there.

Riggins: At the same home?

Betty Stike: No, no. First, stayed with my father in his house, see, I'd lost my husband, and after that I built my own, and then my son decided to do my father's house over and we moved over there and then we decided we wanted to move back near the waterway to get away from the ocean front so we built there and that's the one we sold.

Riggins: Do you still go down there?

Betty Stike: I go to see family. I'm a trustee at the chapel down there, so I go to those meetings down there, we have quarterly meetings. So my time is-- there's never-- there's few idle days.

Riggins: It sounds like it. You have plans coming up and I'll let you attend to them. I thank you very much for your time.

Betty Stike: Well, this has been interesting.

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