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Interview with Alice Brittain Brooks, April 30, 2004
April 30, 2004
This video taped oral history with Mrs. Alice Brittian Brooks took place at her office in Wilmington. Mrs. Brooks is a 1964 graduate of the James Walker School of Nursing, the 2nd to the last class from the diploma school. During her time in training she witnessed the transformation of nursing towards integration of hospital patients and staff with the opening of New Hanover Memorial Hospital. Her long career includes an expanded nursing role as a nurse practicioner in the field of pediatric nursing. She currently works at the Child Development Center in Wilmington.
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Interviewee:  Brooks, Alice Brittain Interviewer:  Mims, LuAnn Date of Interview:  4/30/2004 Series:  Southeast North Carolina (SENC) Length:  60 minutes


Mims: Today is April 10, 2004. I'm LuAnn Mims for the Randall Library Special Collections, series on Health Services of Southeastern North Carolina. We are talking today with Mrs. Alice Brooks who attended James Walker School of Nursing and graduate from the class of 1964.

Mims: Hi Mrs. Brooks. If we could find out a little bit about your personal background, where you came from, what your family was doing.

Brooks: Okay. Well, I'm a Wilmington native. I graduated from New Hanover High School and considered going away to school but decided to go to James Walker because it was an excellent school and I had heard it was an excellent school and it turned out to be an excellent school. I did not want to teach nursing, I wanted to do nursing so I felt like a three-year school was more appropriate for what I wanted. All of my family is from here so it was just a natural thing to do, to go to school here.

Mims: What was your father doing at the time?

Brooks: My father worked with Shell Oil Company and he was in charge of the ocean terminal here in Wilmington and the one in Charleston and the one in Moorhead City. My mother was a homemaker. I had an older brother who is now dead. He was six years older than I and so we lived out in Sunset Park and lived there from October to April and then moved to the beach from April to October like a lot of people did at the time.

Mims: Wrightsville Beach?

Brooks: We lived at Wilmington Beach, which is now a part of Carolina Beach I think.

Mims: So growing up in Wilmington at that time there were other options for you. We had the university, Wilmington College was here.

Brooks: Right, Wilmington College was here. We went to Wilmington College. We had a lot of classes at Wilmington College. Things like chemistry, anatomy and physiology, psychology, sociology, things like that. We were bussed to the college. I've always heard that you know you're talking to a Wilmington native when they refer to UNCW as ‘the college.’ So we had a lot of classes at UNCW, which was Wilmington College at the time.

Mims: Is there anything that you can think of in your childhood that would have led you to into a nursing career?

Brooks: You know people ask me that and I've thought about that. From as far back as I can remember, I have never wanted to be anything but a nurse. When I was a very little girl, people asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up, it was always a nurse and I can't tell you why. It's just that that's what I always wanted to be. I don't know of anyone who influenced me, but that's what I always wanted to be.

Mims: Well, you said that James Walker School of Nursing had a very good reputation.

Brooks: Yes it did.

Mims: How did you hear about this school?

Brooks: Well, you know, from living here, knowing that the school was here. Living here all my life and knowing that the school was here, that's really how I heard about it.

Mims: Had you ever had an opportunity to go out and visit the hospital or see the school before making your decision?

Brooks: Oh yeah, that was the only hospital available to go to as a patient at the time. Babies Hospital was here. I think I had my tonsils out at Babies Hospital, but yes we were very familiar with the hospital and I visited the school. I visited other schools too, but I decided that I wanted to stay here.

Mims: Now at the time that you went to James Walker was it expected that you stay in the nursing dorm.

Brooks: Oh absolutely, you had too. Even though I lived here in town we had to stay in the dorm. That was not an option to do something else.

Mims: I know they had started to loosen up some of their restrictions. I think the class of 1960; they allowed married women to continue with the nursing program.

Brooks: Yes and I really don't remember the specifics on that, but I'm thinking if you were married when you came in, you could come in, but I don't think you were allowed to get married if you were not married. I think I'm right on that, you might want to check that with someone else.

Mims: I'm just curious about if the resident’s issue became relaxed a little bit if the person was married.

Brooks: You know what, I really don’t remember. I know there were some other classmen that were married and they may have lived off campus, but you know what, I really don't remember because that was not an issue for me.

Mims: When you first came to James Walker what was your first experience there?

Brooks: Oh my gosh, this is one of my big nursing School of Nursing stories. We came into school in August of '61. And in September of '61, they had the big air show at the airport when the plane crashed. So my first experience in nursing school was burned victims from the plane crash at the air show.

I remember thinking to myself…and we'd only been in school a month so we couldn't do a lot of stuff, but we could like run errands and take lab slips here, you know things like that. I remember thinking to myself if I can live through this, I can get through anything. So that was my introduction to nursing school. That was a big, big event here in Wilmington at the time; a big event was that plane crash.

Mims: So when you came you were just kind of thrown into the hospital setting or did you have classes beforehand?

Brooks: No, we had classes for quite a while before we were allowed to go onto the floor and when this plane crash happened, we were nowhere near ready for that to happen so that's why I say we were just used for runners. But of course being in the hospital setting at the time, I mean going from place to place at the time, you knew what was going on and involved to a certain extent, but certainly no hands on.

I can' remember when we first went on the floor but it was several weeks before we started out actually working on the floor.

Mims: Were you given a uniform?

Brooks: Yes, yes we had uniforms. The laundry did them up for us. There was a blue and white striped under dress and a white apron that went over it and we had caps. We had to put our collars and our sleeves, we had to attach those and I mean they were starched like cardboard and we had to fold our caps.

Brenda Potter and I had a contest here one time when we first started working together and said let's bring our caps and see if we remember how to fold them and we did. So we had to fold our own caps. We had little buttons, you know those little two way buttons s with the little hooks in between, had to button the button on the sleeves, button down the collars, button the white apron on.

We had to go for inspection. Our uniforms had to be, you know, down close to ankle length. So we would go to inspection and go to breakfast and get on the floor and take surgical tape and tape our hems up so they'd be shorter (laughter). I don't think anybody ever said anything about it.

Mims: Would you get in trouble if somebody caught you?

Brooks: No, they would see it, but they didn't say anything.

Mims: What else did you have to have to function on the floor. You know I see nurses now with stethoscopes.

Brooks: We didn't have stethoscopes, we were not given stethoscopes. The only thing they issued to us was a pair of bandage scissors, which we kept in the back of our apron, stuck back there in the apron and obviously when we went to Dorothea Dix Hospital for our psychiatric affiliation, we did not keep the scissors in the back of our uniform. We had to keep them in our pocket.

We were given bandage scissors. We were given a procedure manual and of course textbooks, things like that. Then the instruments that we needed to work on the floors, were on the floors, they were hospital property. Our bandage scissors were our property; they were for us to keep. Stethoscopes and things like that we didn't carry back then. But the stethoscopes were on the floor and they were there to be used when we were working.

Mims: Now you had to rotate through the different areas. Tell me how that kind of went.

Brooks: Ok, we were divided if I remember correctly in either two or three groups and so one group would rotate, each group would rotate together and we rotated through what we call med-surg which was medical and surgical patients. Let’s see if I can name them all, med-surg, pediatrics, labor and delivery and the psychiatric patients were in on the med-surg floors.

Mims: Now these were set up like wards too, right?

Brooks: Yeah, they had like what they called med-surg floors where you had the medical and surgical patients and of course pediatrics was separate. Women and men were separate and the black and the white patients were separate. They had what we called the colored ward back in the back, a little building in the back separate from the main hospital where the black patients were. We rotated through there.

Mims: I understand they had their own little entity too, had their own emergency room.

Brooks: Well, black patients were brought to James Walker if they requested to be brought there to the emergency room, but I guess if they -- no I take that back. I don’t think that’s right. I don’t think we saw them in the emergency room. When integration started, it must have been the year I graduated. The first unit that was integrated was labor and delivery. But up until then, if you were a black patient and you wanted to come to the hospital, you were put in what they called the colored ward. I don’t believe patients were attended to anywhere else. They had the newborn babies there; they had everything there, medical, surgical patients.

Mims: But you saw a little bit of integration.

Brooks: Obviously they must have done surgery. You know that’s interesting because I really don’t remember. I really honestly don’t remember, but I remember it was a big to-do when they admitted the first black patient to labor and delivery.

Mims: What do you remember about Community Hospital, which was the African American hospital?

Brooks: I remember that it was a very good hospital. They had a good nursing school. We had one social one time when I was in nursing school and invited the students from Community Hospital for a social, but that’s the only contact we ever had. Now I went to Community one time with a nurse to pick up a baby to bring over to our hospital, but this had to have been in 1966 when they started to integrate. As far as having any connection with Community, we did not. It was very, very separated.

Mims: It’s interesting though that you can remember though a little bit of integration on the women’s unit there. Was there still that contagious ward area? I think they called it the Bear Annex. The history of it was it was set up as a contagious ward and I wondered what it was when you there?

Brooks: Hmmm, the Bear Annex. I don’t remember anything called the contagious ward. There was a wing of the hospital called Women’s Ward and it was connected to the hospital, but it was out in back also and it was only women there. Then there was South Wing 1 and South Wing 3, which were women, and South Wing 2 was Labor and Delivery-Postpartum.

And then there was a women’s ward and then there was the pediatrics wing and then there was a lower and upper hall, upper and lower hall A and B. That was men and then underneath was the x-ray department. Surgery was on the third floor, labor and delivery was on the second. They had intensive care unit, it was off the lobby. But the contagious ward I don’t remember, but that could possibly have been what I’m calling the women’s ward because it was connected to the hospital, but off at the back and you had to be going intending to go there to pass through there.

Mims: Right, some of the older people before the days of shots and knowing about how to control…

Brooks: Right and you know like today if you know someone is contagious, they just put them in isolation and used isolation techniques on the regular units.

Mims: When you were going through all these different areas, what do you remember being your favorite one?

Brooks: Emergency.

Mims: Why?

Brooks: I just liked the emergency room. I worked in the emergency room for two years in Florida when I graduated. I liked that type of work. I liked the type of work you do in the emergency room and I’m more of a ‘do it right now’ than long term. Now my least favorite was medical patients.

Mims: Which was long term.

Brooks: Which is more long term. And back then; people would come to the hospital for a vacation. Now health insurance companies would never allow that. But people would come to the hospital and they’d have a lab work today and an x-ray tomorrow. They would spend their vacations in the hospital. I guess I liked attending to people who were really, really legitimately ill and when you came to the emergency room for the most part, you were legitimately ill.

Mims: Do you remember seeing blacks in the emergency room?

Brooks: No, that’s why I backtracked there, not at the time.

Mims: Who are some of the doctors you can recall working with as a student nurse?

Brooks: Ok, one of the sweetest, most wonderful doctors that we had at the time was Donald Koonce. He was a true gentleman. That’s the first person I would mention. He was a surgeon and a wonderful, wonderful man, a wonderful human being. Dr. Charles Graham was the same way. He was a surgeon also and just a wonderful, sweet human being.

I remember Dr. Joseph Hooper who was a urologist and he wanted you to think he was rough and gruff, but he had a heart of marshmallows particularly when it came to sick children. He was a soft touch for a sick child. These doctors were excellent clinicians, but really good people. I remember Dr. Bruce Dorman, an orthopedic surgeon. Of course the Crouch brothers, one of them was a pediatrician and Dr. Knox, Dr. Joseph Knox was a pediatrician.

Mims: In working with some of these doctors, did you have an opportunity to learn about the transition of medicine? Like maybe they shared stories of their younger days with you.

Brooks: They didn't do that as much. I’ll tell you what I remember about the doctors. The doctors at that time were totally protective of the student nurses. Nothing was to happen to the student nurses that the doctors wouldn’t say something about it. If we wanted something done and our instructors or our nursing director said no, we could go to a doctor, oh please you know.

Another doctor I remember that, gosh I can’t believe I didn't think of him, Dr. Sig Bear, he was an OB-GYN.

Mims: I have not heard too much about him.

Brooks: He was my doctor when I had children. The doctors treated us all for free. All the student nurses got treated for free and when we graduated and went to work in the community, these same doctors, speaking from my own personal experience, but I never got a bill from one of these doctors, never.

Mims: They really treasured the nurses.

Brooks: And they treated us like we were their children with great respect for the most part (laughter), certainly the ones I’ve mentioned, treated us with great respect and were very committed to our learning.

Mims: Because some of them actually taught you.

Brooks: Oh, absolutely they taught us classes. In fact I remember one time it was the day before Thanksgiving and we wanted to get out early to go home you know. Nursing director said, “no, you can’t get out early, you’ve got to have classes.” So we went to the doctor and said, “We want to go home early,” and he said, “I’ll let you out early” (laughter). So it was things like that, that type of relationship we had with most of the doctors.

They respected us and we respected them. We always stood up when they came. You always stood up when a doctor walked in the room. The doctors never made rounds by themselves like they do now. We always went with them. A nurse always accompanied a doctor on rounds.

There was a great deal of professional respect for the doctors. We never called them anything other than Dr. so and so. Never first name basis.

Mims: How about some of your supervising nurses? What were they like?

Brooks: The first person that I think about is Daphne Jeffords. If she’s still alive, you may want to talk to her. She was nursing director. I’m not sure where she is right now, but somebody else might know where she is. The Association would certainly know where she is, but she was a wonderful, wonderful person, nursing director. Everybody just loved and respected her so much. The head nurses on the floors were very committed to our learning and we were very respectful of them.

The hospital staff like the head nurses and the doctors and all were as much a part of our training as the instructors in the school were. It was the hospital and the nursing school, but it was really more or less a department relationship the way I think about it now I guess than totally separate because everybody in the hospital were part of our training. Not just the instructors in the nursing school.

Mims: It was like a community effort.

Brooks: Absolutely.

Mims: A name that keeps coming up is Beadie Britt.

Brooks: Yeah.

Mims: What was she like?

Brooks: She was the consummate nurse (laughter). She was the nurses’ nurse. I mean she was very small in stature. Daphne took over when Miss Britt retired, but Miss Britt was nursing director when we came into school and she lived in our dorm. So she lived on the first floor and we were very cognizant that she was there 24/7 (laughter) in our dorm. I mean she was just treated with the utmost respect because of her title and because of the person that she was. She was a just a very dear, sweet, little lady and nursing was her life. It was absolutely her life.

Mims: Well, what did you girls do for fun like when you had time off?

Brooks: Oh, I can’t tell you that (laughter).

Mims: I’m trying to get an idea of what was available (laughter).

Brooks: You don’t want me to get arrested, do you?

Mims: I mean did you go downtown or did you go to the beach.

Brooks: I always went to the beach and maybe that’s why I wanted to stay here in town now that I think about it. We always went to the beach when we could. Of course when we got off, we’d go home, those of us who lived here and those of who didn't, sometimes they’d go home with us. Went to the movies downtown. When our boyfriends were in town, we dated.

Mims: How did that work, did you have to sign out?

Brooks: Oh yes, we had to sign in and out of the nurses’ residence. Boys could only go to the first floor waiting area nowhere else. They were not allowed anyway else, I’m not saying…well, they weren’t allowed anywhere else. No, our protection was obviously of utmost importance to the school and to the hospital because our comings and goings and our behavior was very restricted, very restricted.

We would go as a group to places, like we would go to the college as a group on the bus. We did not have cars. If we went somewhere we had to use the bus or family would come pick us up or something like that and we had what we called closed study from 7 pm to 9 pm every night. We had private rooms. We had to be in our rooms studying from 7 to 9, it was closed study. Of course we’d always gather in somebody’s room and sometimes would study. But our comings and goings were very restricted compared to today.

Mims: Not too bad of a deal.

Brooks: No, no, looking back I would say it was probably the best thing that could have happened to us.

Mims: I understand there was a large ceremony involved whenever you received your cap. What do you remember about that?

Brooks: Not when we received our student caps, we did not have a capping when we received our student caps. But when we graduated, we received our pin and our graduate caps and the graduation ceremony was a big to-do.

Mims: What was that like?

Brooks: Well, we had ours at First Christian Church on Oleander Drive and it was very similar to a lot of the church ceremonies. We all were told what kind of uniforms to go down and buy. We had long uniforms with buttons up to here, beautiful uniforms. White uniforms, white hose, white shoes and we were given our caps and or pins. So we didn't have like a pinning ceremony early on or a capping ceremony early on.

Mims: Some of the older ones were talking about the different bands they received.

Brooks: Ok, we had, gosh let me see if I can remember, the freshman caps had no bands. The junior caps had a thin band and the senior caps had a wide band, black velvet band that we stuck on with KY jelly.

Mims: How long would that last (laughter)?

Brooks: It would hold up until it got washed again. Oh, KY jelly will hold the world together as long as you don’t put water on it. Then our graduate caps, of course were all white.

Mims: Very interesting. Now you happened to have been at James Walker

School of Nursing when it was starting to go away. What do you recall of this? I know there was a lot of movement in the community that another hospital was necessary. What do you remember?

Brooks: I remember that it was very, very exciting and very positive that we were getting a new hospital. All the talk was the new hospital, when the new hospital comes this is what’s going to happen. They combined of course James Walker and Community. Community and James Walker closed and New Hanover of course, let’s see my first son was born in 1966 and he was born at James Walker and my second son was born in ’68 and he was born at New Hanover. So I’m thinking probably because of that, somewhere between ’66 and ’68, New Hanover opened. And of course in ’66 the last class graduated from James Walker so probably ’67.

It was very exciting. Everybody was very excited and very happy about the new hospital, but we were very concerned because the school was not going to transfer and of course it eventually went to UNCW, which is what they have. It started out I think as a two-year program and then eventually went to a four year.

But there was a lot of concern as I remember in the beginning, “What’s going to happen to the School of Nursing?” We know we’re getting a new hospital and gosh knows it’s needed and it’ll be integrated. Two segregated hospitals will be closed, but what’s going to happen to the School of Nursing. Sort of nobody was really sure what was going to happen, but then of course eventually it obviously went to UNCW.

Mims: We were talking off camera a little bit and we think possibly the last class that graduated in ’66 may have started your senior year.

Brooks: They would have had to because they would have had to have started in ’64. They would have had to come in in ’64 to graduate in ’66. I’m pretty sure that’s the last class, ’66. Yeah because I remember thinking I was a senior, “Gosh this is sort of sad.” It was very sad I remember maybe because we weren’t sure what was going to happen to the school. I mean whether or not it was going to continue going on somewhere else.

But I remember it being very sad, “Oh gosh this is the last class coming in.” We’re seeing the end of an era.

Mims: Well, other than the segregation issue, did you find that the facilities had started to become like not as up to par as they should have at James Walker?

Brooks: You know I don’t ever remember thinking that. Of course it was an old building. You know the building itself was old, but I don’t ever remember thinking at the time, oh gosh, we need something we don’t have or this is broken and nobody will fix it, you know stuff like that I don’t ever remember thinking that. And maybe looking back now, you know, I just don’t ever remember thinking, "Gosh, it’s time to move."

Well, we knew it was time to move on and we knew the new hospital was going to be modern, but I don’t ever remember thinking that we didn't have something that we needed or that what we had was not within good quality.

Mims: After graduation what did you do?

Brooks: I got married (laughter). Graduated in August, got married in September because we promised our parents we would not get married until we graduated so we waited a month. I graduated. We moved to Atlanta and I came back home for Christmas because my husband had to go on an assignment for two or three weeks at Christmas, so I came back home to spend Christmas with my folks and one of the night supervisors wanted to go on a trip to Europe. So they called me up and I was home and knew I wasn’t doing anything and I worked as a night supervisor to cover for her.

Mims: At James Walker?

Brooks: At James Walker and I thought, “I can’t believe I’m doing this.”

Mims: What floor was it?

Brooks: Well, it was all over the hospital. It was night supervisor all over the hospital. So then when we moved to Miami, I worked in the emergency room down there and then when we came back here, I came here in ’66 and have been here ever since.

Mims: You came back in ’66?

Brooks: Yes, we were only gone two years.

Mims: So how did you put your nursing career working here with the state, what do you do?

Brooks: What do I do here now?

Mims: Yeah.

Brooks: Okay, well we’re considered to be in developmental pediatrics. We’re not acute care pediatrics here. We’re developmental pediatrics and we do diagnostic testing on children who are suspected of having developmental problems. So right now I do a lot of developmental testing with children. We work mainly with children. We work with children from birth to five, but mainly birth to three with developmental concerns.

I do a lot of testing and I’m trained to do physical exams so I’ll be doing a lot of that soon, a lot more of that soon. So that’s basically what I do, I work in the Health Departments, work with one of the programs in the Health Departments and do testing for the children in the Health Department who are in a high risk program, high risk developmental problems.

Mims: You feel that your training at James Walker can transpose into what you’re doing?

Brooks: Oh, absolutely.

Mims: Because your training there was more of a hands on, total patient. What’s different in the nursing field now?

Brooks: Of course nurses have more responsibility. Back when I was in school whatever the doctor told you to do, we did and we did not question it. You absolutely did not question it. Today nurses have more responsibility for their behavior, make more decisions, more independent decisions than we did back then.

And I’m not talking just about we were students. I meant the graduate nurses also more relied way back then on direct orders from the doctor. Today we have much more responsibility of our own, that the buck stops with us. Of course we still relate to doctors. I’m not saying that we don’t, but I guess that’s the biggest change I see, is the responsibility issue that nurses take on today.

And the expanded role of nurses that wasn’t …the only expanded role back then that nurses had were nurse anesthetists. That was the only expanded role back then. Today you know we have a much more expanded role and a much more personal professional responsibility for what we do.

Mims: It’s not unusual for a student to enter knowing that they never really want to do hands on medicine.

Brooks: Right, right, oh yeah. Let’s see, well we certainly had nurses back then that taught because we had instructors, but yes, I would think there’s a lot more out there today to do than the hands on, what we call bedside nursing. There’s certainly a lot more to do today than the traditional bedside nursing.

Mims: If you had to do it all over again, would you go into one of these more specific roles?

Brooks: Well I don’t know. I certainly would not be doing bedside nursing because that just was not my, you know where my interests lay. I don’t know, I’m not sure how to answer that because I’m doing today what I really what want to do so …

Mims: Which is an expanded role.

Brooks: Yes it is.

Mims: A young girl entering into the nursing field today, what advice would you offer?

Brooks: I would advise a girl who was questioning whether or not that’s what she wanted to do. I would say if you’re in high school, go volunteer as a candy striper, volunteer in anything you could do to be in that field or involved in that field and the best thing you can do may be that you find you don’t want to do it.

That’s what I tell people because I have a lot of girls that will ask me, “I think I want to be nurse” and I’ll tell them they need to get involved. You need to go out to the hospital and volunteer and live in that setting as a work setting for a while and see what’s going on and watch what the people have to do and see if that’s really what you want to do. Because you know, “Oh I think I’m going to be a nurse and everybody’s going to think I’m so wonderful and I’ll wear uniform” and you know all of this.

You need to realize what the work involves. I think sometimes people need to find out what is it really going to mean every day for me.

Mims: I was a little bit sexist in saying a ‘girl’ because now the field has a lot more males involved.

Brooks: Correct.

Mims: When can you think about experiencing your first male RN?

Brooks: Okay, and I do remember that. This was in Miami, Florida. The first time was in the hospital in Miami, Florida.

Mims: They certainly couldn’t have functioned at James Walker School of Nursing with the way it was set up.

Brooks: We had no men, never had a male nursing student there. Now they may have had them then in other schools, but we never had any male nurses.

Mims: So the field has opened up to more people.

Brooks: Right, right.

Mims: And a lot more activity in the hospital setting with all the stuff going around. Is there anything else you’d like to offer here to interject that maybe we didn't touch upon?

Brooks: I just remember, I am very much a traditionalist and I can’t say that’s it my age because I’ve always been that way. I’ve always been very much that way. I told you that we were very restricted back then in the way we had to do things, what we could do, what we could not do, things like that and that was okay for me.

I would really like to see more of that today in nursing. I go into the hospital sometimes and I don’t know which one’s the nurse and which one’s not.

Mims: Because they’re not wearing…

Brooks: They’re not wearing uniforms or they’re wearing scrubs and everybody wears scrubs and what can I say. I’m sitting here in street clothes you know. So I mean our hair could not touch our collar of our uniform, we could not wear any jewelry. We could wear a watch. If our ears were pierced, God forbid, we could wear tiny, tiny little studs just to keep the holes open, nothing like this.

If our hair was long, we had to wear it up in a bun or something, you know things like that. I guess the one thing that I miss is more of that traditional look of a nurse.

Mims: It readily identified you.

Brooks: And you could walk into the hospital and they could say, “Oh, that’s the RN,” and I know she’s the RN because she doesn’t look like the nursing assistant or the ward secretary, whatever. So I guess that’s the only thing negative. You didn't ask me negative, but that’s the only thing I can think of that…

Mims: And did you guys still have those blue capes?

Brooks: Oh yes, I still have mine.

Mims: Really?

Brooks: Oh yes.

Mims: Because I had another lady talking about how she would wear hers when she was going out to get some kind of door-to-door kind of work because people knew she would be a nurse and like you say, there’s no identifying. Well, I do want to thank you for talking to me today.

Brooks: Oh, you’re welcome. I’ve enjoyed it.

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