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Interview with Diane Smith Satterfield, January 18, 2005
January 18, 2005
In this interview, James Walker graduate and Wilmington native Diane Satterfield shares details regarding her training and experiences as a nursing student in the early 60's and her subsequent professional nursing career.
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Interviewee: Satterfield, Diane Smith Interviewer: Mims, LuAnn / Parnell, Gerald Date of Interview: 1/18/2005 Series: SENC Health Services Length 1 hour, 25 minutes


Mims: Today is January the 18th, 2005. I am LuAnn Mims with Gerry Parnell for the Randall Library Special Collections series on Health Services of Southeastern North Carolina. Today we have the benefit of speaking with Mrs. Diane Satterfield, who was a 1964 graduate of James Walker School of nursing. Good morning to you.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Good morning.

Mims: We would like to start the interview with you giving us a little bit of your personal background. Where your family was from, what your father's occupation was, brothers or sisters?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum. Well, I'm a na... ah, Wilmington native, lived in Wilmington all my life. Um, my father worked at the post office in my early years, and then was a salesman. My mother stayed at home until maybe the tenth grade um, when there was a need for her to work. Back then people... women didn't work out of the home, so it was quite an adjustment for us. Soon after, my mother and father separated, so um, my sister and I were still at home, she is fifteen months younger than I. So the three of us lived in an apartment. I had an older brother, ah, six years older, six or seven years older who is now deceased. Um, my mom was in training almost three years at James Walker in the twenties. Um, she was from a small little town, Taber City, North Carolina... from a very strict background, um... she was the only one of five that graduate from high school and her desire was to get off of the farm. And she wanted to come to James Walker... to Wilmington, and be a nurse, and her father would not allow that because nice girls were not nurses back then. And um, so she was persistent, he allowed her to go to UNC Greensboro, ah, one summer, and she got on the train and... I think in Whiteville... and went to Greensboro for summer courses. She tells me about hearing the... the train whistles at night and crying in her pillow... she was so homesick. But anyway, she came back after a summer and was a school teacher in that Iron Hill Tabor City community. She taught a one room schoolhouse, seven... one through seven, I think. And she roomed with a family whose daughter was a James Walker graduate also... younger than mother. But anyway, her father was very strict and she... he made her give her... the family all the money, she was never allowed to keep any money. Because he said "you will not fare better than us". He was very strict. So anyway after, I don't know, several years, again she said "I want to be a nurse". That was her heart's desire. So finally he said, "you can have fifty dollars and you can go to James Walker and be a nurse". And so she was, I think, in her later years when she actually was allowed to come to... to James Walker. Um, and I think back then... I don't know if there was a cost or not, because I think they used to get paid some money. Anyway, she... do you want me to go in that area right now?

Mims: Sure! Keep going.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay. So... she came to James Walker and loved it. Um, she... as a young girl in high school and all was never allowed to date. And so, you know, all the young men in Wilmington, for many years, came to James Walker for the women, cause they were all cute and available... cause you could not be married back then and be a nur... a student nurse. So anyway mother tells... tells of having to boil the syringes. Ah, they had their own syringe, in fact I can remember the black box with mother's syringe in it. And they sharpened their own needles with some sort of emery board. She tells the story of one of the interns breaking her syringe one time and blaming it on her, and she had to replace it, and he got by... and that was a lot of money back then.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um... the doctors lectured them just like they did when we were student nurses. Ah, and back then, you know, women did not see men's privates. There were orderlies. Ah, you never bathed a man below the waist. Um, so it was... it was... it was very strict, very strict. Um, mother stayed until her senior year and she met my father and left and got married. She always regretted that because later on when she had to go to work at Belk Beery, she had no school, she had no, um, profession. You know, she couldn't teach because she had not kept up her certificate and she didn't graduate. So she went to work at Belk Beery, and support two girls on eighty dollars every two weeks.

Mims: Um.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And there was, back then there was no talk, there was not even a thought of my going away from Wilmington to school. And she used to tell us that nursing was so wonderful, that it was a profession that would help us in life, help us with our families. And so we knew that we could do that... and she was very strong on us having something to fall back on, those were her words... fall back on. And it was either teaching or nursing. So it was James Walker for us, there were no... it was... there were no other, um... ah, options for us because we didn't have the money. And it was, ah, five hundred dollars, I think, for three years when I went in nursing. I'm not sure but I think it was something like that.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, so my sister went in first and my mother would pay so much a month. My father never helped my mother financially. So um, and my mother was a godly woman, she gave a tenth of her money to the church and did all this, and its... was just miraculous to us. We lived on Twelfth Street in Dr. Graham... Charlie Graham, Charles Graham's apartment. He had a... it was a... two apartments downstairs, two upstairs. So we could walk to James Walker, we could walk to the A & P for groceries...

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... we would walk to Temple Baptist Church, we could walk to Belk Beery where she worked. We walked everywhere because we didn't have a car. And back then, you know, pride was everything.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: You know, you were taught to be prideful, you know...

Mims: Did you and your sister attend New Hanover High School?

Diane Smith Satterfield: We did! We went... we... we started off at Chestnut, which is now Annie Snipes.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... and we moved to the Forest Hill area, so fifth and sixth grade we went to Forest Hills and then back to Chestnut in Junior High. And then we graduated from high school back then it was segregated also.

Mims: Um hum. Was there any, um, thing in the high schools, um, that would bring people into the nursing profession? Cause I've heard some of the other nurses talk about James Walker nurses coming and speaking to high schools. Do you remember any of that?

Diane Smith Satterfield: No, I don't, I don't. It was, um, it was not the school to go to when it was... when I graduated from high school. My friends went to Bowman-Gray, one friend went to Duke, um, but mostly Bowman-Gray was the school that most of my friends... my graduates went to. Um... and when I graduated, I didn't take chemistry because I was an all A student, and everybody at New Hanover was failing chemistry, even the smart kids... under Mrs. Leguin were taking chemistry and just studying all night, and making awful grades. And I thought I can't do this, so I dropped chemistry going in to my junior year and took, um... just a... I think it was some sort of biology or something. And you didn't have to have chemistry to go to James Walker. And then when I graduated I applied for a Civitan scholarship. Back then there was a nurses scholarship. I think it was just mainly to James Walker. And um, I think it was five... five hundred dollar, or two hundred fifty dollar scholarship, which was... it... a lot of money back then. And Dr. James Tidler was head of them um... the applicants and I remember, you know, just wanting it so bad, cause I knew that it would help my mother. And um, surprisingly I got it!

Mims: Hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: So that was helpful. And because I was a Civitan scholar, all the doc... you know, my junior, freshman, senior year, I had to help... I didn't have to, but I wanted to help them sell the Claxton fruitcakes. And that's how they got their scholarship money. And I have a picture in here of, um, sitting on top of a... a replica of a fruitcake. Um, so I went to James Walker, I think, in the fall of 61, in September. Um... it was... it was quite different for me because um, I was allowed... my mother, you know, we had so many... my mother trusted us, so she let us, you know, our curfew was eleven... eleven thirty... whatever... if we were doing something, you know, we would tell her. But then when we got to James Walker we had to be in a seven o'clock during the week and of course we could go home on the weekends, which was nice.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: The girls in Wilmington went home but the girls all... in these little towns, didn't go home, and that caused some friction too, I think, because we weren't as close to those girls early on... and so we sort of were outsiders, you know, because we really... we had our own set of friends.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um... so, ah, but we grew closer as the years went by. Um, we had a house mother, Mrs. Um... Holden , Mrs. Causey, ah, Mrs... oh what was that other lady's name... anyway one... one... some of the house mothers lived there. There was an apartment right on the first floor of the nursing home. And they would live there. And they were always in this little office. There was a little window, you'd go in and you'd sign in when you were... sign out when you were leaving the campus and you'd sign in when you came in. They would lock the door at eleven o'clock at night and if you came after eleven, it was bad.

Mims: They answered the door!

Diane Smith Satterfield: They answered the door, yes, yes, yes, yes! But they would lock the gates after eleven and you would have to come through the bottom floor of James Walker... it was the X-ray Department, it was real scary. And you would just come in that door and just fly, you know, down the hall, and then out into the courtyard where the nursing station was... I mean the nursing home was. Um... also Mrs. Beadie Britt... Miss Beadie Britt was the director of nursing when I was there and she lived in the nursing home also on the first floor. A very, very, very sweet woman, very straight laced. Um... and there was a nice living room, sort of a... a huge living room and ah... but I never used it. I went home. The first year I remember study hall from seven to nine. You were not allowed out of your room, you had to stay in and study. At nine o'clock, I mean the doors would open and the bedlam would start, you know. Downstairs there was an ice machine and I think there was drinks and a nab machine and that was it. And because I didn't have the money for all that, every week when I would go home, my mother would make my sister and I a cake, and that would be our treat for the week.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um... and sometimes we would... I don't know if we... we just didn't drink drinks. Um, but my now husband and I were dating then, and he would give me money. I started smoking then. All nurses smoked. And he would buy my cigarettes... but anyway, um...

Mims: This is a recurring theme...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, yea, yea... it was... it was the thing. And I remember um, this is funny, all nurses, when they would drop something, would say s h i t, and I came from a family where you never said that, so one of the funny things is when you drop something you say "aw hum".

Mims: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And I remember going home one weekend and I dropped something and I said "aw hum". And my mother said "young lady, if you're gone talk like that, you can go back to the nursing home". And... but that followed me all through my life until my first dau... our first child and I said it and she repeated it. So I learned to...

Mims: Yea, kids do that to ya.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Anyway, um, our first... the first day we were um... there was a lot of initiation going...

Mims: Was there?

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... I walked in my room and my mattress was gone. The seniors had taken it and hidden it and pinned a Kotex on my mattress saying "we washed your mattress and it shrunk".

Mims: (laughing)

Diane Smith Satterfield: Anyway, we were sort of afraid of the upper classmen. It was... back then there was rank.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: You know... um, we gave up our seats to upper classmen, you know, we just... there was... we just respected them. Um, we started in the fall going to UNCW. We took anatomy with Dr. Frank Allen.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: We took microbiology with Dr. Zobrowski.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: He was also... he loved us. He would buy us groceries... bags of groceries. He would give us money. He just loved the student nurses. I think he lived alone and was...

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... and we just kind of made over him, you know. Um, there was a... we took psychology, and I can't remember that man's name. And then we took chemistry with Dr. Said... S A...

Mims: I... D?

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... I think. Um, we... the city bus came and got us. We got on the city bus, it was so embarrassing to me, because we'd pull up in front of the college and they'd say "here comes the student nurses". And you know...

Mims: Were you in uniform?

Diane Smith Satterfield: No, no, we didn't wear uniforms.

Mims: Alright, just you were identified because you were on the city...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Oh yes, I mean it was just, you know, "here comes the nurses", and you know, at that age you just wanted to blend into the... the crowd. And we were never part... really a part of the campus because we went to class and then we got on the bus and came back to James Walker. Um, a lot of...

Parnell: These were classes with regular students in them?

Diane Smith Satterfield: No. Just... just the students... just the student nurses and...

Mims: That's how they said they couldn't get college credit for some of this because they weren't with other students.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right. And, you know, it was... it was... Dr. Al... Frank Allen was a wonderful teacher. Chemistry, I never knew what I was doing. You know, it was time wasted for me. Um, psychology, kind of interesting. Um, microbiology, oh my goodness. You know, it was just... you memorized. Um, but anyway, um those... I think maybe we went to UNCW maybe into the junior year. I'm not quite sure.

Mims: I want to say it was like six months or so because school actually started a little later than you guys arrived, so there was, you know, the initiation and then you attended...

Diane Smith Satterfield: It seems like it was in January...

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... or late fall.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right.

Mims: Cause after that six months...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: ... then weren't you given your cap... at the end of pre-clinicals?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, we were. We had our uniforms and we were given just a plain cap, the plain student cap, no bands on them. We... we started um... our... our instructors were RNs mostly. The head of our nursing class, the director, was Mrs... Ms. Dorothy Dixon, and I think she had her masters in education.

Mims: She went on to UNCW.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum. She was wonderful. Um, and... Barbara Rountree was also... I think under Mrs... Ms. Dixon, and she was a graduate from Duke. And then the rest, I think, were just RNs. Um, so that instructed us, and we... we were taught first, how to give a bath. And we had a lab downstairs with lots of beds and the stu... we gave each other baths.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, and back then it was a big deal, a bath, you had the white bath sheet and when you came in the room you had the... the... it was a metal, ah, little carry, like plastic carry-ons, and it had in it, it had your um, your soap, your lotion for the back, you had um, cornstarch to put on the back, and anyway you would go into the patient and you had the white cotton bath sheet and you had, you know, your um... your linens for the bed, and you... you had towels and washcloths. You never... you always had two washcloths because you never... you just did the face and upper with one washcloth and you changed.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, every patient got a bath every day, and their beds changed. I mean it was just... and you know, everybody loved to see the student nurses coming because then it made their workload a lot easier. So we would go over and do the bath and that would probably be all, and then go back to the um, nursing home where we lived, and we would have classes downstairs in the basement, a part of the basement. Um, we um, we took nutrition with Mrs. Underwood. And then a wonderful instructor of our was Ms. Pas... Mrs. Passo, Lillian Passo.

Mims: She actually went on to Cape Fear.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yes.

Mims: For the LPN program.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yes. And she was one that was always so gentle and... and soft spoken. Um, she taught us modesty. She was very much like that. I remember doing my first... back then, we did um, douches for wo... we did... the women didn't do their douche, we would do it... before surgery. All... they always got a douche before D&Cs and things like that. And I remember one day, I just had no idea... the anatomy... and I remember I was so embarrassed and she was too, and she just took my hand and just guided it, and we never spoke of it! But back then we draped patients. There was a way to drape patients so nothing was ever exposed except the area you were working with.

Mims: Uh huh.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Even with enemas, you know, it was just... um, but she was... she taught me a lot of wonderful bedside nursing skills.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, Ms. Under... ah, Rountree, she's still living. I think she lives in Leland. Um, I remember...

Mims: What was her first name?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Barbara Rountree.

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I remember one time, I was on women's ward and it was when the... the length of the skirts came up, we used to have 'em down here, well we all hemmed our skirts up. And I remember I was down at the end of a... a ward and bending over, and she called me out and made me go back to the nursing home and change my skirt, it was too short!

Mims: ... one of those quickie with the tape kind of hem job that day!

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum absolutely, absolutely! Back then we had wards, you know, we had a huge room with maybe ten or twelve beds. And most of... most of... it was mostly poor people that were on the wards, not always, but a lot. And we had um, just divide... ah, dividers on rollers... what am I trying to say...

Parnell: Like a screen.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... screen, that you would put around the patient.

Mims: Um hum. (phone ringing) Do you need to get that?

Diane Smith Satterfield: No.

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, but modesty was, you know, always the big thing. And when you were in these wards, you used the bedpan.

Mims: Um.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I don't recall that many bedside commodes.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: It was mostly bedpans. So there was always a bedpan hopper in the linen room, and you know, you would scrub the bedpan with a brush, you would dump it, and then you would put it in here and sort of sanitize it. Um, and they were the enamel bedpans, and later on the stainless steel...

Mims: Oh.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... took over. And now, of course, the plastic. Um, back then, let's see what else... but the bath was just very, very important. Um, let's see what else... then we would go to lunch. We had thirty minutes for lunch always, even if... sometimes you would stand in line for fifteen minutes and then, um, eat lunch ten.

Mims: Now this was in the hospital cafeteria, right?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, always.

Mims: Um, okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, we... we had... um, could you cut that off just a minute?

Mims: And... continue?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay, so there were big wards, there was semiprivate rooms and very few private rooms. The private rooms were on the third floor at James Walker on South Wing 3, I think, and upper hall. Um, the student nurses were not allowed on upper hall with Ms. Hughes until you were seniors. And she was very difficult to work with. I mean it was... I mean, I'll just have to say it, we... we dreaded going up there...

Mims: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... to... to her. And basically, you know, I think that was her persona. She liked...

Mims: ... people having that concept of her.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yes, yes, yea.

Mims: Power.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right. So the student nurses were mostly on the wards. There was a South Wing 1 with Marjorie Jackson. She was wonderful to us with lots of wards. And then there was... there was a psychiatric ward which was on East Wing 2...

Mims: Hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... and the only psychiatrist in Wilmington at that time was Dr. McMillan.

Mims: Hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And so there were private rooms down there, but it was also used for psychiatry.

Mims: It wasn't a locked section?

Diane Smith Satterfield: No. Early on when we first started in training, there was two rooms on upper hall that were locked rooms with the window on the door that you could see.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And I remember that it was sort of a "wooooooo", you know, it's not like today.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I mean, people that were mental, you just didn't talk about it. And Dr. McMillan, he's now deceased, he was... he... he was... he never said anything, and he would walk in with his little black box, you know. And that was his box that he did electrical shock treatments... and it was done a lot back then.

Mims: Now did you guys did a separate psych rotation?

Diane Smith Satterfield: We did. And that was our...

Mims: Senior?

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... senior year, yea, yea, okay. So we really didn't get into the psych patients. Um, when a doctor came on the floor, you always stood up. If you were sitting down and he came up, you stood up and gave him your chair. Um, you never let him make rounds with the patients... see a patient without you going with him.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: You know, and um, it was just unheard of.

Mims: Now would all the student nurses go with him, like follow him, or was it an individual case, like if you were doing that patient, then you would go with the doctor... how was that... how did that work?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Well, I think early on when we were freshmen, of course, maybe just our patient. But when we were on... our junior year we staffed just about the whole hospital three to eleven.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Maybe that's an exaggeration, but...

Mims: I don't think so.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... we... we worked, um, we staffed... so you would always go with the doctor. I don't care how busy you were, you went. And they didn't like it if you didn't.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, so... but freshman year, it was mostly a.m. care, you know, doing temperatures, blood pressures, bathing... and then coming back and having class the rest of the day. Um, and you... we were usually out by three I think, three or three thirty.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And then had the, you know, afternoon off. And a lot of the girls would go downtown. Um, there was a soda shop down in the... under children's ward at... at the hospital, and I was trying to remember the man and woman that ran it. They were beloved. And all the doctors would, you know, congregate down there about... after their rounds and, you know. In one of the books there's a caption, "here comes the student nurses", you know, but you couldn't get a seat because all the doctors were there and they had wonderful hotdogs! That was... that was a good memory. I also remember Mr. Underwood was our head pharmacist and he had technicians that worked with him and um, you know, they... back then we didn't have premixed medicines. Um, if a patient needed morphine, there was a little vial with little tablets of morphine all around and you would put the morphine in distil... in sterile water, mix it... or draw up sterile water, open your syringe, drop the vial in, not touching it, but there was a way to do it, and then shake it up, make sure it's... and then give it. Now can you imagine, particles in your... ?

Parnell: Um.

Mims: No.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And one time when... when I was first um... my instructor was instructing me to give morphine to the patient, she got waylaid... she got distracted, and I thought she was through with me, so I took the morphine in the cup and went and gave it to the patient by mouth.

Mims: Oh! Oh no!

Diane Smith Satterfield: And, of course, that was the joke, you know, for a long time... Diane giving morphine by mouth.

Mims: Well on a... on an incident like that, would there be any repercussions, like... ?

Diane Smith Satterfield: No, I'm sure it was written up on my record, but... (laughing)

Mims: Watch her with the morphine.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... but no it was...

Mims: They wouldn't like pull your cap, or...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Oh no, no. But those were the...

Parnell: (inaudible)

Mims: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: They wouldn't do that.

Mims: Well that's why we're trying to divide that line is when or something started to change.

Diane Smith Satterfield: We never... well we were not placed in situations. We were more babied than the nurses of old. They were put in a lot of situations that we were just not put in. we, you know...

Mims: Talking to some of them... (inaudible)

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, yea. And we were, um, you know, we... we... our instructor... there was always an instructor on the floor early on, with us, that we could go to.

Mims: And that responsibility was more or less placed on that instructor rather than the student nurse.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right, right.

Mims: If they were doing their job, you guys wouldn't be making any kind of mistakes.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And... and the head nurse was always, most of the time, very accessible. And they were always... the aides and all were so glad to get us.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: You know, cause we helped do their work.

Mims: So there were nursing assistants?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Oh yes, and orderlies. Every floor had an orderly.

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And they always finished... finished the man's bath, usually.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um...

Mims: How about unit secretaries or ward clerks, were those... at that time... ?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, not at... I can remember when they came on in the... it seemed like... in the 60s.

Mims: Late 60s?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Late... middle 60s.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Ah, especially like on OB, there was a ward clerk cause sh... she had to do all the birth certificates...

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... and get the information, and... and then the ward clerks were allowed, I think, to do some of the charting, like the temperature, T P R's we called them.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: We... we had... we used the old glass thermometers. We had the boat with the... the soapy water, then the alcohol, and then the plain water. You put them in the soapy water, then you soaked them in alcohol, and then you rinsed them and you put 'em in a towel and dried 'em. And I can remember... I... you learn how to shake 'em all at one time.

Mims: Without 'em flying out of your hand!

Diane Smith Satterfield: And the... the aides could not do that. The nurses had to do that. I mean, um, when I was a junior in training, we... I would be in charge of upper hall 2 and I would have thirty some patients. And I had to do all the temps, respirations, and all that and the blood pressures... most all the treatments. They just weren't allowed to do 'em. Ah, if Dr. Hooper, a wonderful doctor that everybody was afraid of, came on the floor, um, he had just done what we call a TUR, transurethral resection, and his patient's a lot... if they would bleed or have a clot it would stop up their catheter and if he walked on the floor and found one of his patients stopped up, you know, it was not good. So if you saw him you made sure his patients catheters were flowing... flowing well, because he really took care of his patients and he really cared. So we learned... and we were... we feared him at first, but we learned to absolutely love him. But he was, you know, sort of a pussy cat. Huge man, but... and his father was a doctor when my mother was in training.

Mims: Really?

Diane Smith Satterfield: And was very beloved, um...

Mims: Who were some of the other doctors you have memories of?

Diane Smith Satterfield: I remember Dr. Koonce, Donald Koonce, he was a surgeon, and he had an arthritic hand, like this. And when we, um...

Mims: A surgeon?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Well, sorta, it was sorta like this.

Mims: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Well you know they learned to do things, I mean, he could cut and... but we would... when we would pass him instruments, we learned to come in and slap 'em. That was one of the things I remember...

Mims: Instead of the hand...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, yea, yea, yea. Like this, he would, you know, and we would... and he would (clapping sound). There was a... there was a trick to that. Um, Dr. George Johnson, he was... he delivered me when I was born and... but he was the old OB doctor in town. Dr. Weinel took his practice and now that practice is Dr. Cracker...

Mims: Oh, okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... Dr. Foiles, and you know that's where that practice came from. Dr. George Johnson... I've seen him deliver babies with a cigar butt in his mouth and... and the mask under it, you know. (laughing) I can remember back then when a... when someone got pregnant and had a baby, most of the time they were sent away, but the ones that couldn't be sent away would have 'em there, and as soon as they had the baby, they would move 'em to another floor.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And I can remember one time making rounds with him and I just could not understand, naive me, why this woman was down here when she'd just had a baby.

Mims: Oh.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And... and I've never had problems asking, so I asked him, "what is she do... ". He said "sister... ", he'd call us, he said "she went over the fence one time too many". (laughing) So that was his answer, um, that was funny.

Mims: That is funny.

Diane Smith Satterfield: That is funny. But he was um, he... he was a wonderful doctor. And I think he was the doctor that started the tradition of giving the senior nurses the dozen red roses.

Mims: Oh, okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: When they graduated. I'm not sure that they did that... that he bought them when we graduated, it became a tradition and I'm not sure that the... the hospital didn't do it. But I remember hearing that he started it.

Mims: Um hum, it's like a doctor sponsorship kind of thing.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, whether he did it or not, I'm not sure about that story, but its just something that was handed down. The doctors also gave us a junior/senior. And that was a dance and they paid for it. Um, when we had ours, Dr. Hooper was very instrumental in helping us, and at that time he was running for, I think County Commissioner in Wilmington. And we helped him with that. But um... another thing they did for us was, what was it, I think I wrote it down. There was... okay what was it... was there a dinner or something... I'll get to that.

Mims: Where would your junior/senior dance be held at?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Well, you could choose it. We went out and had ours at Whitey's El-Berta. There was a... (laughing)... and I remember there's a picture in here of us going out and meeting with this man, and we rented that. And all the doctors came. Most of the doctors and their wives came. And it... and all the...

Mims: And you could bring dates?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes. And sometimes the doctors would ask you to dance and it was... it was a night... a wonderful night.

Mims: In that situation, you know, that whole respect, standing up when they entered, was that dropped a little bit in a social setting?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Well by the time you were seniors you were buddies, most of the time. I mean it... you still stood up, but you could sort of joke around with 'em, you know. Um, they gave us... oh, the other thing they did, they gave us a beach cottage for a weeks our senior year in the summer. And we um, and I remember Dr. Robert Williams, who was a wonderful thoracic surgeon came down and took us sailing one day. Dr. Bert... not Bert Williams, Dr. Bear, Sig Bear...

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... was an obstetrician, and he and his wife took us out on their yacht, and we had dinner... chicken, fried chicken or something one evening, which was a big deal for us.

Mims: Were these the Sprunt cottages down at the beach still?

Diane Smith Satterfield: No, no. This was about three houses down from the Hanover Seaside Club south, and it was a huge cottage, and our... we had um, my Aunt Lib, Elizabeth Caison was ward clerk on OB/GYN, and she was one of the chaperones... and Billie Burney's mother, Billie is now deceased, she was in my class. Um, Billie Burney's mother was also a chaperone. We wanted chaperones that would... (laughing)

Mims: Not as tight as the house mother.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Exactly, exactly, exactly. And... and that was... and some of the students had to come and go as I recall. I think we still maybe had to work, or whatever.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I don't think we had that whole week off.

Mims: This was a tradition started long...

Parnell: Long...

Mims: ... earlier... on the beach...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Really?

Mims: Yea. I want to say the Sprunt family is the one that instigated...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Started it.

Parnell: The Sprunts let 'em use their house.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay.

Mims: Right from the very... very beginning.

Parnell: And I think the late 1930 lady told us that.

Mims: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay.

Mims: She got to stay there, so...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Well this wasn't, and I don't...

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I'm not sure who that was.

Mims: Probably by the time your class arrived those classes had gotten so much bigger they couldn't stay in the smaller...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right. We started off with twenty seven and ended up with like sixteen or seventeen.

Parnell: How many of those twenty seven were from Wilmington, do you know?

Diane Smith Satterfield: I counted. There was about thirteen or fourteen I believe.

Parnell: That's from Wilmington, okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I... I didn't think there would be that many, but there was a lot. And I counted through all of the yearbooks of my three years there. There were a lot of Wilmington... but a lot of peo... oh, there was a cut after six months, freshman year. And you... you lost a lot of students then.

Mims: What was that cut from, academic?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Academics, academics. And there were just some that just couldn't do it.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Just didn't...

Mims: (inaudible)

Diane Smith Satterfield: It was usually mostly academics.

Mims: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Academics. And then, you know, there were some girls that got pregnant and had to leave, um...

Mims: Despite that fact that...

Parnell: Despite...

Mims: ... the house mother... (laughing)

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, yea, yea. Um, when I was a junior I was... the freshman were on the top, the junior in the next, and the seniors... second... okay, I think the seniors were on the... the... I don't remember, but I remember, I think we were on the top floor, my sister was a senior, she was on the second floor. And um, one night I was in my room, and I... I had been out, and I'd come in, and it was about eleven o'clock, and I heard this horrible scream. It was blood wrenching. And I went outside and I was... my... I was on the top of the stair... my room was here and then there was the stairs. And I went out and somebody screamed "there's a hum in so-and-so's room and he's raped her". Well we... all I could think about was my sister. We were not allowed to have... we would put all the Pepsi bottles outside of the... the rooms. You weren't allowed to keep 'em in your rooms, and the maid would pick 'em up the next day. And I remember picking up that Pepsi-Cola bottle and running down the steps and it was like it was ten pounds. We were so scared. And then we thought "what are we doing?", so we ran all the way back up and barricaded ourselves, the whole class in one room. I mean we were... cause we didn't know if he was still in there or not.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um...

Mims: Was it actually a rape?

Diane Smith Satterfield: It was almost... almost. And the... the sad thing about it was the walls in that nursing home were so thick, the girl in the room next to this room did not even hear the tussling and all. I mean...

Mims: Was this a... a... somebody that she knew? I mean, how would they have access?

Diane Smith Satterfield: No... okay, there was... on the end of the James Walker nursing building there were sunrooms an all the rooms, and there was a fire escape...

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... on the outside. And he had come through the um, X-ray Department. Remember how I told you how scary...

Mims: How scary it was, yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... and come up that fire escape. And when he climbed up the fire escape, he dropped his wallet. And he was an ex-con. And... and he left that way too.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And... and they caught him. But he beat her up pretty badly.

Mims: Oh my gosh.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And he was... she... she said... her room was right next to the sunroom.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And she said that that night... back then, if you had cramps, you took Midol...

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Am I talking too much?

Mims: No, no, no.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay. And she said when she was... she was on her knees saying her prayers and she said she felt someone watching her. She felt someone was watching her, and when she went to bed, she was kinda drowsy, and when she woke up he was... on her.

Mims: Really?

Diane Smith Satterfield: And sh... he... her neck was awful.

Mims: Um.

Diane Smith Satterfield: But she got one leg up.

Mims: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And... and, but anyway it was a... it was very traumatic for all of us.

Mims: I'm sure it was... vulnerability, you know.

Diane Smith Satterfield: It was horrible. And so what we did was we... we would put two beds in one room. In each room we had a desk, a bed, and a dresser. And roomed together... the nurses did. And that's when they went and put... they put chain locks on our doors then.

Mims: Uh huh.

Diane Smith Satterfield: So for a long, long time we would room together and soon we went back to rooming...

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... alone... and we would never, like if you would have to go to the doctor and have a shower in the middle of the day, you'd get the house mother to come up and sit with you. You would not be on that floor by yourself. We were scared to death, you know.

Mims: Did this girl end up staying?

Diane Smith Satterfield: She did. She did. We didn't know if she would stay.

Mims: Bravo.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And graduated.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And graduated. But she was not raped.

Mims: Right, I know, but still...

Diane Smith Satterfield: But... she was a big girl, she was six feet tall.

Mims: ... picked the wrong one!

Diane Smith Satterfield: She was a... she was a... maybe not six, but she was not fat or anything but she was... she was big.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: So that... that was... that was terrible.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: That was absolutely terrible. It terrorized the whole...

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um...

Mims: Cause the little nursing students were like the darlings of the hospital and for something to... awful to happen to them under their... that situation...

Diane Smith Satterfield: It... it was... it was terrible. Um, I was gonna tell you that when we... I think it was our senior year, we did OB/GYN and one of the interesting things, we took a turn in the milk lab. That was... have you heard anybody talk about that?

Mims: Right... a little bit about it yea.

Parnell: A little bit.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay. And we, you know, we wore the hats and garb, and we made formula. And that was always so funny to me, cause now, you know...

Mims: You buy it!

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, you buy it. And you would... it was a very sterile procedure and you would take it downstairs to have it autoclaved. There was an RN that was head of that. Um, so that was fun. Um...

Mims: Did you guys ever have to make your own IV solutions?

Diane Smith Satterfield: No, we didn't.

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: But I was trying to think, we didn't have IV piggybacks and all that.

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: We, I think, and we didn't do it, the pharmacy did it, would put the ah, antibiotic in the IV and it was all... it was glass bottles when I started. And I remember when it went to plastic.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, only RNs could start IVs. There was no IV team. LPNs could not start IVs. Um, in 1964, I think, they started an IV team with Margaret Martin, and she was a James Walker graduate, and she lives in Wilmington. And she was the IV nurse. And it seems like she had somebody else with her. And then I think there was a three to eleven, and you would hear on the overhead all the time, "Margaret Martin would you come to 310", you know, blah, blah, blah. So she was um, on the move.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And she had her cart with all the IV solutions and that was great help, because starting IVs could just ruin your whole...

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... shift.

Mims: And some people are better at it than others.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Exactly, it... it's an art.

Mims: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: It's an art. And I remember... I think I'm right... as a senior, I think we took a turn with her on the IV team to learn the technique.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, when we were seniors, I think, we... we had a turn in the colored ward, which was segregated.

Mims: So that was your senior year?

Diane Smith Satterfield: I think it was our senior... jun... senior year. Um, I... it was something none of us wanted to do because we thought that it was dirty over there. It was not as clean as the hospital.

Mims: Um.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, and... and the care was not the same as in the other hospital. Um, we would come off duty from colored ward and strip down in the hall.

Mims: Hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: We wouldn't even go in our rooms with our uniforms on.

Mims: Was that staffed by black nurses or white nurses?

Diane Smith Satterfield: White... black, black.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And, I can... I can remember going on duty one day and we did bed baths. And back then you didn't put on gloves, you were not protected at all.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And there were some situations that were just scary. And I had a patient, and he had... she had casts on both arms up to here, and they had put a pail of water out for her to bathe herself.

Mims: Ah! Hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And that was sad to me. That was sad to me. Of course I bathed her. Um, there would be one room and you'd hear somebody in labor and there wouldn't even... you know she would be in there laboring by herself. And the infants, the newborns were in this long closet type room, real long without any windows or anything, in baskets on the wall. I mean its...

Mims: Like hanging on the wall, or... ?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum, hanging on the wall. I remember them hanging on the wall. Um, it was outside... when they'd go to surgery they would have to go outside in the elements. Inside it was, you knew in your heart that it wasn't right.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: You know. But soon after that is, in like 64, 65 I think is when they shut that place down.

Mims: 66...

Diane Smith Satterfield: 66?

Mims: ... 67...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay.

Mims: ... is when they opened New Hanover, so you know somewhere right in there is like... um, some of the other nurses that graduated the same time you did noticed the beginning of integration on certain floors. Do you recall seeing that at all?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yes, on lower hall.

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: An, the first black nurse was Mrs. Lockhart, and she was the head nurse at... on orthopedics at New Hanover for years. She... she um, retired. But I remember her as... working with her.

Mims: And she was ortho?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum. But on... on lower hall she wasn't, but she later on went into orthopedics.

Mims: Was lower hall women's, or... ?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Mixed.

Mims: Mixed, okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Mixed, mixed. And most, you know, there was no surgical floor and medical floor, it was all mixed everywhere. So you really had to be up on everything. And that's what was so good for the James Walker graduates. When um, the boards came, cause...

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... we were used to taking care of everybody.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And it was... it was quite good, good, good, um, it was good for you. I remember afterwards, you know, like UNCW, those... those students or graduates come on the floor and they... they don't know anything.

Mims: No.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And it's not a good feeling when you're in labor and someone comes in and they're from UNCW, you know. So we were um...

Mims: Prepared.

Diane Smith Satterfield: We were more prepared, I think. Now we didn't have probably the um, the theory...

Mims: The... the technology...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right. But we had the know-how.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: We were taught. I knew how to make a patient comfortable.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: We didn't... there was not medication for gas, we knew how to get rid of the gas mechanically, you know. We knew what to do, we didn't load 'em up on all this medicine. Um, we turned patients every two hours after surgery. That was a big deal.

Mims: But this... still the time where people post op were kept in bed for longer than like now you're up hours after you're...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yes... second day usually you got 'em out of bed.

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yes. In fact, when I was a freshman, or... I think late my freshman year, I was on women's ward and it was a, like a six bed ward, and I had a... a patient, she was obese.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Just filled the whole bed. And she had had some sort of surgery. And... and I bathed her the morning after surgery. The next day I came on duty and the bed was gone. Because you would keep the same patient and... and she was not there. She had died with a pulmonary embolism.

Mims: ... guess why.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And I had to go to watch the autopsy.

Mims: Ah!

Diane Smith Satterfield: It was terrible. That... we... that was what we did, and... and Dr...

Mims: Right. I mean what was...

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... we always had to do autopsies. You had to watch an autopsy. But they thought it would be good for me. And you... you actually saw the embolus, you know, they would, you know, pull it out. You could see the cause of death.

Mims: Um.

Diane Smith Satterfield: But there um, a big black man um, that worked with Dr. Lum, he was a pathologist.

Mims: Hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: He was from England. And um... and Dr. Singletary was another one. And he would do the craniotomy, he would take the saw and... and that was just uuuuh, you know.

Mims: You're a young girl, you probably what, near twenty by this time?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, right, right. And then you'd... girl... nurses would pass out, and the odor, the formaldehyde odor...

Mims: Oooh.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... you would never get it... you would try to go eat, and you would just... it was... it was traumatic. But anyway, I remember that... that day. And my sister and I were talking a while ago on the phone and she said that she remembers the man's name. And he was a manager at Sears.

Mims: Oh my gosh!

Diane Smith Satterfield: So it really sticks in your mind. I can see that lady to this day, you know, so... and that was another thing, you kept the same patient when you started on and did a case study...

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... you know. Um, let's seen another thing I wrote down...

Mims: Where there specialty units about this time that you were a student nurse? Was there any kind of intensive care units?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Well that came on in 1964 and I can remember when they were setting it up. Where the psychiatric, on east wing 1 was, they turned that into intensive care. It was the first intensive care in this... it was the first trauma area in this area.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Whiteville, everywhere, used to come to Wilmington. And Ann Register, excuse me, came from Presbyterian in Charlotte and set it up. And she was a cracker jack nurse and absolutely gorgeous, and everybody... all the doctors were just absolutely doing handstands, you know, literally, literally. Um, and I went to work with her after I graduated. And it was a wonderful experience. It was um, the first ah, you know, ah... oh... put 'em on vent... ventilators.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: That was the first time I'd ever seen a ventilator and um...

Mims: Were they doing telemetry monitoring too, or just... ?

Diane Smith Satterfield: I don't think they were doing that.

Mims: 'Cause there had to be some reason to have the intensity of having, you know, the smaller concentration of patients for nurses.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, I don't know... I don't believe... I don't think there was telemetry.

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I don't... I'm not sure about that, but I don't think there was. All... you know, all had... Dr. Robert Moore would fill it up with head injuries from all southeastern North Carolina. Um...

Mims: He was like a neurosurgeon?

Diane Smith Satterfield: He was... he was the only neurosurgeon in Wilmington. And ah, he was very eccentric, but he had a heart of gold and he was... a lot of his patients were in there... bleeding patients. A lot of stomach ulcers. Back then you had ulcers. Now its unheard of to do gastrectomies, taking your stomach out. Back then we did it all the time.

Mims: Whew!

Diane Smith Satterfield: And if a patient was bleeding they were always in... in Intensive Care. Um, some post op chest always... patients with chest tubes, were always in Intensive Care for a day or so.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, and... and of course, you know, just ah... head injuries mostly too.

Mims: Were there... was there an, um, NICU set up? Cause I know that came about after Kennedy's babies died, that... the neonatal?

Diane Smith Satterfield: We didn't have that.

Mims: ... hit Wilmington.

Diane Smith Satterfield: We didn't have that. We didn't have that. Um, we... all... one of the things we used to do that we... it's unheard of now... we irrigated all IVs every day, every shift, with saline.

Mims: To keep 'em open?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Whether they were open or closed, we just went around and irrigated all IVs. It was part of the daily...

Mims: IV care?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Uh huh. And also we irrigated all Foley catheters. Can you imagine?

Mims: Well just the time that you guys are spending in doing these things that are not done today, either because the technology has changed, the apparatus...

Diane Smith Satterfield: But look what you're introducing into the... the lines, I mean, you know, because...

Mims: Sure. Well speak about doing the bed baths, and you're carrying these things from patient to patient, you know... and not using gloves, you know!

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea.

Mims: It's just very interesting how that's been forty years, you know, how that's... that's changed.

Diane Smith Satterfield: It's... it's... and I was gone tell ya, when I was a... when I was a junior and I did my first three to eleven... one of the instructors or someone wrote this up for me... ah, do you want me to read it, or not... or you wanna copy it?

Mims: Where are we with the time?

Parnell: Ah, we have about eight... seven or eight minutes.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I'll just give this to you...

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And... and you can um...

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay. Ah, let's see.

Mims: How about your psyche rotation?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay. Our senior year we went to Dorothy Dix for three months and um, that was... a lot of the nurses liked that. I didn't like it at all.

Mims: You got out of Wilmington!

Diane Smith Satterfield: Dorothea Dix?

Mims: Yea, it's out of Wilmington, right?

Diane Smith Satterfield: No, it's in Raleigh.

Mims: Right, I know, but you got out of Wilmington.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Oh... oh yes, and a lot of the nurses... yea, but I didn't want to leave cause I... my comfort zone was in Wilmington...

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... you know, I was very homesick. And you went into a room with nothing but keys and you were assigned keys. You signed out for keys. And you locked and unlocked everywhere you went, so you were locked up.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And sometimes, you know, the patients would come at you and I was terrified. I mean I was absolutely terrified. It was not my thing at all. I was on male admissions and they were all con artists and I would believe everything they said, you know. Um, a lot of the students, um, there were lots of orderlies up there and all... all the student nurses, they... they had a heyday with all the nurses... the student nurses. A lot of 'em...

Mims: Here they come!

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right. Some of the nurses married them, you know, so... um, but it was... we had more um... more freedom there.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Than at James Walker. Um, and, you know, interesting enough, as much as I disliked it I scored higher on psyche than any other.

Mims: Really?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea... so... it was a good... it was a very good course up there, I think, very thorough.

Mims: Now you said when you graduated you went back to work at the hospital?

Diane Smith Satterfield: I did. Most, um... when you graduate, most of the nurses were supposed to work... you couldn't get a day job, you had to, you know, do the night shift.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Unless... unless your mother was a... a supervisor or something like that. Some... some of the... some of the more fortunate ones got day duty, I didn't, and I was on eleven to seven PRN, which meant you went where you were the busiest.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And that was... I think that helped me with my boards, because I worked everything.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Full moon, I'd go to...


Mims: ... labor and delivery.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And back then, you know, the doctors only did the vaginals and rectals, the nurses didn't. So you just looked to see when the baby was coming, you know.

Mims: Not really accurate.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea. Um, and it was... it was frightening to me. Because to be put in specialties when you weren't really... I didn't fell like that I should be there, you know. But I was always under another nurse.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I was not, um...

Mims: How long did you do that, that night shift?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, from the time I graduated until January. I had a really good friend that worked in IC... in Intensive Care, and she was moving on somewhere else, and I knew her job was available. So I went in the director of nurses, Ms. Jeffords, and said "I know this job is available, I'm getting married, I want this job". And you know, um, that's how I got the job.

Mims: So you went to the seven to three.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum, and three to eleven. You always usually did both.

Mims: So you were in the ICU?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum. Under Ms. Register and she was wonderful.

Mims: You don't know whether she's still living, do you?

Diane Smith Satterfield: She is, she's in Texas.

Mims: Oh.

Diane Smith Satterfield: In Houston, I believe. She's Ann Roy now, R O Y. Her mother, I think, lives in Wilmington, Register. Her, um... and you know, we had orderlies back then and... and the interns and med students catheterized the patients... the men, the nurses never did it. Ah, I remember one time working as an RN in Intensive Care and the med students were here... down here from Chapel Hill and they would draw the curtain, and we had these... the... you get these trays from down in... what did we call it... anyway they were sterilized...

Mims: Central supply?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Central supply, yes. And that's... that's how we cathed. And there was a way to open it and you know, you draped...

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Well these students went in to cath this man, and they kept coming out and wanting another tray, and... they kept, you know contaminating everything. I think it was four trays and that was funny for me. Um, but it was... it was just the way it was. And after I'd been out of nursing a while and I went back, I... I called for an orderly and they all laughed at me.

Mims: (laughing) dating yourself!

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, yea.

Mims: Um how long did you stay at this ICU situation?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Not... probably a year or so. Um, and this is interesting too, I got a job at Cape Fear Hospital in surgery. Um, the two hospitals back then...

Mims: Were separate.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yes, and it was not good feelings between the two at all.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Bad feelings, very bad feelings. And when I told um... when they found out that I was going to Cape Fear, it was like I was a traitor. And I remember Dr. Fales, Robert Fales...

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... and Dr. Koonce taking me into a room and basically saying "what are you doing?", you know.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And... and I thought, "I'm going to work in surgery" and back... and went I went to work at... in surgery, we might have two cases a day. I'd get paid for the whole day.

Mims: Wow. Well what was your... what were you doing in surgery?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Assisting.

Mims: Assisting?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Scrubbing.

Mims: Scrubbing... okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum, and made fabulous money and didn't work that much. I took a lot of call and we didn't have beepers, you had to stay by the phone, so...

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... um, but it was, you know, from... from two cases to a full, full days...

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I mean, we watched it grow. And then the... the wonderful thing was, Dr. Mebane was a urologist and Dr. Hooper. Dr. Mebane was not board certified, but Dr. Hooper and Hair were the other urologists in town.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: When Dr. Mebane died, Dr. Hooper came over to Cape Fear and loved it, loved the nurses.

Mims: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: You know, Dr. Codington, you know, sort of took up Dr. Mebane's mantle. He was the main surgeon over there, so it was wonderful to see, you know, the two hospitals sort of...

Mims: So this had to have been maybe like 68, or... ?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum, uh huh.

Mims: Okay. Did you go work at New Hanover at all, or... ?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um... started my family in 69 and worked a little part time at Cape Fear in surgery, and then when our youngest one, youngest daughter was like three, which was probably 75, I wanted to... I needed to work. And I knew that with the registry I could work when I wanted to work.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Put my name on the registry...

Parnell: We're gonna need to stop.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay.

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Mims: Tell us about your experience with the registry.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay. There was only one private duty registry in Wilmington and it was... we hired a registrar, which was Mrs. Lane, it was an older lady, she is now deceased. And we paid her a salary. And if the hospital wanted nurses, they would call Mrs. Lane and ah, the registry would ha... would hire nurses. In other words, you had to qualify to... to be on this registry. And there were nurses that preferred three to eleven, eleven to seven, and seven to three. Um, you could put your name on the registry. You could take it off for a while, you could work when you wanted to, when you didn't want to work. And that appealed to me with small children.

Mims: Well, um, we talked to one lady who had to be um, like licensed in New Hanover County and we're trying to find out... was that true for your...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um um.

Mims: ... your time?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um um.

Mims: So how would you...

Diane Smith Satterfield: I've never heard of that.

Parnell: She has a certificate where she went after she got her RN... went to the Clerk of Court and...

Mims: ... and had to become a reg... registered here in New Hanover County and we thought that predated the registry, so that's why I was trying to find out. Um, this registry has been active for a long time and new... just new registrars...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right.

Mims: ... took it up.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right, right. And I wasn't head of the registry, I was... Ms. Lane was the registrar but at one point I was the one that interviewed people that wanted to come on the registry.

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And I... they would send their resumes to me and I would interview 'em and... and there was a panel, you know, a... a committee. Ah, you needed to have several years of experience, you just couldn't be a... you couldn't be a private duty nurse just graduated.

Mims: And you had to an RN?

Diane Smith Satterfield: You had to be an RN. You had to, um, the experience was one... was the main thing... years of experience.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And I can't remember all the other stuff. And you know, we had a lady one time that just was not what we wanted, and there was a probation time that we could say, we want you or we don't want you. And we didn't want her.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And she got a lawyer and took us... the registry to court. And that was kind of fright... frightening, you know. That was the beginning of the end of "you can do it your way", you know.

Mims: Sure. Would you ever put patients in... excuse me... and nurses in patient's homes, like... ?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yes, we would go home with them. We had those that liked to do just home duty, and we had those that didn't like to go into the home. We nursed all broken hips. There were no knee replacements then. But we had a lot of broken hips. The whole Jewish community in Wilmington always had nurses around the clock. I mean, it was just a given. And then the old Wilmington people, you know, all... you didn't come to the hospital without nurses. Even to have a baby, you know.

Mims: Really?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yes, yes. Um, so there was always...

Mims: Work.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yes. But then you would build up a clientele. Your name would get out. "She's a good nurse."

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: So people... the family would call you.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: You know. And there was, you know, there was always a good team to work with. I... I loved to work with Gerot. We called nurses by their last name.

Mims: Sure, uh huh.

Diane Smith Satterfield: She was a very good nurse, ah, I worked with her on some cases, and she was older then, so she would, um... if I wanted some days off... I was in a home, and she would relieve me. Um, Margaret Jensen, I don't know if you know her, she was... she's an authoress now.

Parnell: Oh yea, we know Margaret.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Uh huh. First We Have Coffee?

Parnell: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Uh huh.

Parnell: Not for this, but she... she was nurse?

Diane Smith Satterfield: She came from Greensboro and wanted to get in our registry, and... and she hadn't been in the hospital for some time and she sort of... we just kinda took her under our wings...

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And she... I was the seven to three, she... we were sort of a team, we were good... and she was the three to eleven, and then Mary Jane Horrell was eleven to seven. And we would... we loved to work together because we could flow.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: You know.

Mims: And you knew each other well enough to know that that had been done.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right, right. And if there was a procedure that Margaret... you know, I would explain to her, this is...

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... you know...

Mims: What you're talking about...

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... it was like mentoring for a little while, you know.

Mims: It's home health... may have involved, you know, into the more formalized, what we have with interim health care...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right.

Mims: ... and um, some of the other ones...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right.

Mims: ... that are now local.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right.

Mims: That's kind of how they operate, so...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Exactly. But... but we got, you know, we... we didn't have to give any money. We paid dues every year. These nurses, home health and all, they have to give a portion of their salary...

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... to the... you know.

Mims: ... contracted, yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: We didn't. And um, and, you know, it got so that a lot of the... some of the doctors didn't like private duty nurses cause they thought they were just glorified babysitters, and sometimes that's what you were.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: You know, um, it sort of, you know, um, I guess played out. I don't know.

Mims: Um hum. I think it transposed into something else, ah...

Diane Smith Satterfield: You have your coronary care now.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: We used to nurse all, you know, coronary patients. And they used to stay in the hospital three and four weeks, you know. They didn't like 'em go like they do now... and total bed rest.

Mims: Sure, and that you don't really get that much anymore either.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right.

Mims: Cause I remember my dad talking about early cataract patients having to be in bed for...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Two weeks.

Mims: Yea.

Parnell: Sand bags over their head.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Sand bags.

Mims: Right.

Parnell: Sand bags around your head.

Mims: You know, and now its an outpatient, so with the advancing of technology, of course, nursing has... has changed.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Tremendously, tremendously. Um, I was talking to someone the other day that had a hysterectomy and went home the same day, and that was, you know, that was phenomenal to me, I just... it's unreal. Um...

Mims: So, we know that there was um, when... when James Walker and Community Hospitals closed their... their doors, the nursing schools closed at that time, and then it became well, what's gonna happen to the nursing schools, and the obvious was that it would go to the college.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right.

Mims: Did you have any thoughts on that... while that was going on, you would have been somewhat aware of it.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yes I did, and there's a... there's a... an article in my bag that Dr. Hooper wrote to the Star News about, you know, the need for more nurses... we've got this new hospital and... and we were in crisis actually. Um, you know, I would love to see the diploma school... nursing ah, program come back. I just think they make the best nurses.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: If I had my druthers, if I was sick, that's who I would want, a diploma nurse. Because it's hands on, and maybe I'm just living in a vacuum, I don't know, but I've been a patient and you... there's not much care going on these days.

Mims: Well I... I've had the benefit of speaking to a surgeon...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: And he point out that the best care I those wards was a visual, that the nurses could constantly see that, and he said "where do we put our sickest patients now, in an intensive care unit, a ward situation"...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Visual... um hum, um hum.

Mims: ... so that the nurses can do this. And so the nurses... everything keeps coming back to the nurses care. How can we better get the nurses put back into this contact with the patient...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right, right.

Mims: ... so you think that the academic teaching that the nurses program requires now to keep up to speed with everything, do you think that is taking away from this bedside nursing?

Diane Smith Satterfield: And I don't think it's, ah, I don't think it's really emphasized that much. I think the other is emphasized... I remember as a private duty nursing... nurse... sitting with some new graduates and, you know, the BS and BA, or whatever the two year... it was mostly two years to begin with... is it still?

Mims: No, it's a...


Parnell: ... four year program...

Mims: ... now. Ah, Cape Fear has a... a two year program.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay. But they would say "I'm not gone do that, I'm not... ", and I was horrified, you know, at what they weren't gone do. And um, I thought "too bad, too bad, too bad".

Mims: Maybe part of it is because um, these younger women know... or men, also... know that nurses are still needed, but they don't want that, they want to take expanded role...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: ... I mean, how do you... how do you see that as... as change... expanded role for nurses?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Well, I think, they don't want to get down in the...

Mims: Trenches.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... the trenches, not at all. And a lot of times your care, it's very important, um, towards your recovery, your comfort, and psychological. And if you feel like you've been left out, not... isolated, you know, you don't heal as well, I don't think. Um, I have a concern with all these physician's assistants that are writing prescriptions.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I don't think... feel like that they've gone through the... the trenches to...

Parnell: Um hum.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... you know, I just feel that way. Um, and there again, I just... I think that there's a tremendous shortage. I think too much is expected out of nurses nowadays. And I don't know what the answer is.

Mims: Well there seems to be also a lack of continuity, you might say.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum, um hum.

Mims: Um, I personally have experienced not knowing who the nurse is, who do I ask my questions to.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: Um, and then somebody else comes on... well was that who I was supposed to talk to, you know.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right.

Mims: And why that goes is that they're not identified.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Exactly.

Mims: The nursing cap is gone.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right.

Mims: How do you feel about that?

Diane Smith Satterfield: I... I don't like it. I can't tell the nurses aides from the nurses. I don't like the long acrylic finger nails. I don't like the jewelry. I don't like the dangling... the earrings, or the hair. I have had peo... people starting an IV with hair like this. It's just not... I don't like it.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And... and I just... I'd like to see it swing back. And I... I'd love to see the diploma program. I think there's still some.

Mims: There are.

Parnell: There are, there's still one in Charlotte and one in Durham.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Uh huh. Is it Watts?

Parnell: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And then Charlotte Presbyterian.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Presbyterian turns out wonderful nurses, so does Watts.

Mims: Um hum. We noticed that the cost is pretty high...

Parnell: Yea.

Mims: ... for the diploma schools, so, I mean, before I think the diploma schools were so popular because they were more economical, but now it seems like their... their maybe a little more expensive.

Parnell: Like a college education...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, probably so.

Mims: When you were a private duty, what did you wear?

Diane Smith Satterfield: All white.

Mims: You were in a uniform?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum, oh yea, even in the home. Sometimes in the home I didn't wear my hat. Well most of the time I don't think I wore my hat.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I've got a picture of me with a patient and I didn't wear my hat, but I always wore, you know... and I always had my scissors, you know, and my black pen and my red pen, you know, this Army time came on later.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: We used to start writing in red I think at seven or eight.

Mims: So a.m. time was black.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: And then the p.m. times were red.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum, um hum. Ah...

Mims: I remember that from being a ward clerk.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And I was gonna tell ya, I remember when the first cardioversion was done at James Walker.

Mims: Really?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Dr. Sam Warshauer was a part of it.

Mims: I... I want to interview him.

Diane Smith Satterfield: He is... that's who you ought to... he's wonderful. Had a patient come in with, I think it was atrial fibrillation, I think over 200, I'm not sure. And they... the anesthetist gave him a little sodium pentathol, and he put the um... um...

Mims: ... paddles.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... paddles on him and shocked him. Yea.

Mims: Wow.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I think I'm telling that right.

Mims: Well, about how... what year was that?

Diane Smith Satterfield: It was like 65, 66, maybe. He could tell you, cause his office was right across the street.

Mims: Now they have 'em in the lobby, they have the...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: ... little...

Parnell: ... basketball games...

Diane Smith Satterfield: I know, and... right... and I was gone tell you this too. Back then C-sections weren't done unless an emergency. Doctors knew how to deliver, ah, breech babies, and footland bridges, and transverse.

Mims: They put more time...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yes, yes. They'd stay with the mothers and they would work with 'em, um...

Mims: And again, the intervention maybe of nursing care and getting the patient through these times...

Diane Smith Satterfield: But now it's the legal thing too. Everybody's afraid of a... being sued.

Mims: A baby being born...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Exactly.

Mims: ... with a hostile birth...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Exactly.

Mims: ... due to some kind of...

Diane Smith Satterfield: But that was... that was... but, you know, I've been a patient at New Hanover where I though the nursing care was deplorable, just shameful.

Mims: Well I... you know I've had several incidents and again, you know, if the family is not right there and the patient is nonverbal...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: Um, unless that nurse is speaking up for that patient, the doctor just literally doesn't have a clue as to what's going on, and so you end up with um, I don't know... you know who... whose really managing, you know, the patient, so...

Diane Smith Satterfield: I had a blood pressure of 80 over something one day after some pretty major surgery and the nurse came in and I said... I said "no one's even checked me", and I said, "I could be bleeding, blah, blah, blah... ". I was so upset. But you know, they...

Mims: Give me that cuff!

Diane Smith Satterfield: That... that was... that's the things that...

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I...

Mims: And your um, I don't know, your consciousness, your professionalism, that was indoctrinated into you early on in the diploma school, you know, it's still translated now into how you feel...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Exactly.

Mims: ... strongly about medicine.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And... and I tell you, there's an attitude among the nurses aides...

Mims: Tell... tell me how you feel about that, cause I, that's what I'm trying to get to as well.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I am not a racist.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: But I just, and maybe it's because most of 'em were black, but there's a real sassy attitude...

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... that "there in it, let's do it, dunt, dunt, dunt", you know, and it's just, um, I don't like it.

Mims: Um hum. Well I... I've seen it, you know, white too, where you tell them, "don't start my IV there", you know, and they just don't listen, you know.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Oh, okay.

Mims: And just...

Diane Smith Satterfield: So it's not... it...

Mims: No, I... I...

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... it's everybody.

Mims: I think it's all over, but I know what you're saying and part of this attitude that I see, that I'm sensing now is that because they feel like they are so necessary and that there's such a shortage, that mediocre work is more acceptable.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And I think they're doing it for the job. Used to... it used to be a calling.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: You know, you have all these little old white women and little old black women that just loved what they were doing. They'd call ya "honey", you know, and now, of course, you don't do that, but it's just...

Mims: Maybe it's a sense of pride with... that you earned that cap and you earned the right to wear that white uniform.

Parnell: It's not any more...

Diane Smith Satterfield: And it... it's... and maybe, you know, I think it's the generations too. It... each generation, you know, you don't have those absolutes. You know, nothing is... it's just like is different.

Mims: Well, let's go back to what your earlier statement was, was that "good girls weren't nurses".

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: It was that reputation.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Exactly.

Mims: And, you know, we're still trying to figure that out, but ah...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Well, you saw men. You were around men.

Mims: Oh.

Diane Smith Satterfield: You see, that was the thing. That was just a taboo. A real tab... and, you know, they thought that you were loose.

Mims: That's very Victorian, yea...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, yea.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um...

Mims: But then ah, Florence Nightingale has to have been one of the most well respected women throughout the world.

Diane Smith Satterfield: But was she then?

Mims: At that time, I...

Parnell: I don't know.

Mims: ... I don't know, I mean, I don't know...

Diane Smith Satterfield: I mean, I just wonder.

Mims: I know that, you know, from what I've read is that Europeans certainly, you know, they allowed her to do a lot, you know, with academics, bringing nursing into an academic environment, or at least an organized, ah, field. And that came over to the United States.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: And that's about the time that James Walker actually opened was...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right.

Mims: ... when this all came over there. So, but it's just um...

Diane Smith Satterfield: And James Walker... wasn't it the first nursing school in North Carolina, I think? It was...

Mims: It graduated the first registered nurse.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Okay. And they were, at one time, a medical center. I mean it was a fabulous place, I'm told.

Mims: Oh no, we've read that. I mean, definitely, you know, it's... it's one of the ones, cause maybe it was serving all of southeastern North Carolina.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: Um, Community Hospital... do you recall any contact with that hospital at all?

Diane Smith Satterfield: No. I remember when the black doctors came over the James Walker. And I don't think they were that accepted. You didn't see 'em that much. I think they stayed at... at um...

Mims: Community?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Community. I...

Mims: Can you think of some of the black doctors... ?

Diane Smith Satterfield: Dr... ah, I remember Dr... Dr. Eaton. I remember his son.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I remember, there was a tall, ah, a tall, thin, I think he was an eye doctor. I remember him.

Mims: Wheeler.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Wheeler, Wheeler, Wheeler.

Mims: Dr. Wheeler.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea.

Mims: Cause I've seen him actually...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum, um hum.

Mims: ... in the Epitome.

Diane Smith Satterfield: But they... they weren't well... well received, I don't think. And a lot of... the thing of it is, a lot of the black community wanted to come to the... ah, the colored ward, because they just... they liked the better doctors.

Mims: Yea, we... we know that it was doctor days.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: If your doctor had... was credentialed...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: ... at James Walker, that's where you came.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right.

Mims: And that's why we've heard early on, um, maybe mid 60s, 63, something like that, that there were black patients admitted to the labor and delivery at James Walker. Do you remember that at all?

Diane Smith Satterfield: I do. I remember that, I remember that.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um, but you know, back then, and it was the times too, you know...

Mims: Sure. It was part of the... it was part of the culture and you know that was the way things functioned and now we look back on it and gasp that that was part of...

Diane Smith Satterfield: I mean it's really bad, it's terrible.

Mims: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And you know, as much as I say... I was affected too.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I mean I was not brought up to think that they were awful and...

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... and the N-word was not used in our home, but there was a sense of separation, you know. Um, don't feel that way now.

Mims: No, of course not. I'm trying to think of what else we need to talk about.

Parnell: Um, one question I don't know if anybody's been able to answer this yet... every James Walker nurse we've talked to talks about, in training, they were in training. Not that that they went to school, they were... they were in...


Diane Smith Satterfield: ... in training.

Parnell: Where did you learn that phrase?

Diane Smith Satterfield: From the git-go. Because you were... you know, we were there summer and winter for three years.

Parnell: And it just, they just started...


Diane Smith Satterfield: ... "you were in training".

Diane Smith Satterfield: We were in training. We were in training, that's exactly right. And it, you know, it was home, and we literally ran the hospital three to eleven.

Mims: Well we think that's why they had you there, was...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Exactly.

Mims: ... cheap labor.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And, but now we didn't... our class... the classes behind us did the eleven to seven, we never worked eleven to seven.

Mims: Oh.

Diane Smith Satterfield: So... and I think... I've heard older nurses talk about us being babied, and we probably were.

Mims: Uh huh. Well, I have seen, uh, I think there were teas given for the new nurses coming in.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: I think Alice Britton talked about that and a country club would open up and have that kind of stuff, and...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, they did. There was... in fact, there's a picture of us swimming in the pool.

Mims: Right, I think I've seen that.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Uh huh, uh huh, and there's... I remember three of our nurses went... I think they gave us a dinner or something at the Cape Fear Country Club...

Mims: Yea, a welcome dinner.

Diane Smith Satterfield: A welcome dinner, and Mr. Raymond Holland, he's dead now...

Mims: Uh huh.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... we was... owned the Buick place... he took myself and Angie Wooten, one of my classmates, to dinner one time to plan the menu at the Cape Fear Country Club. And I remember we had vichyssoise...

Mims: Oh!

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... and I had no idea...

Mims: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... what it was!

Mims: And once you found out, you were "yuck".

Diane Smith Satterfield: And I said, you know, "what is this"? And he said "potato soup". And I thought, we'll let's call it potato soup.

Mims: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: But, um, and they were, you know, it was... they were good... they were good to us.

Mims: And I... we also...

Diane Smith Satterfield: That was the board, I think.

Parnell: Um hum.

Diane Smith Satterfield: The board from James Walker did that.

Mims: Was it the board, or was it the alumni? Because the alumni were going strong as you were students there, and it seems like they perpetuated a need to treat the nurses... well, I mean, having gone through that experience themselves, they wanted to make sure that these young nurses are coming in and being treated right. So I want to think that the alumni were actively involved with that.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I don't remember the alumni that much when... when I was coming up. And I, you know, I have been a part of it for some time, but I... and I even had a meeting at my house one time, but I just couldn't connect.

Mims: Was this when Jeffords was, um, in...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Yea, I think so, but the... I remember the day when the came to my house. They... they were ancient. There was...

Mims: Yea (laughing).

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... and they were, you know, they could hardly walk. I was... I remember helping with their stuff, you know.

Mims: Yea. Um, you know, what else did I read... that like ah when you were seniors and you graduated, it seems like the junior class did something for the senior class. I want to say there was like a dinner or something. I've read that around your time period, that...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Seems like there was... the se... oh! It was the dance! The senior...

Mims: The junior/senior...

Diane Smith Satterfield: ... yea, gave the seniors the dance.

Mims: Okay.

Diane Smith Satterfield: That's what that was.

Mims: Right.

Diane Smith Satterfield: That's exactly what that was.

Mims: So I've, you know, I've read about that, so you guys are... are melding and blending here in that... that situation.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum. And there are always some classes that were close, and some weren't. Our class was never really close to the seniors, but we were closer... I mean to the juniors... we were closer to the senior.

Mims: Sure.

Diane Smith Satterfield: And I remember as a student nurse going there, I had never heard of some of the towns these people were from around here. Chinquapin, I'd never heard of that. And I mean I learned stuff about farm life, and country life, and animals that I never knew! You know, they would just keep us in stitches.

Mims: Uh huh.

Diane Smith Satterfield: You know, one particular girl just, I won't remem... she was hilarious. But, you know, and I didn't think there were that many Wilmington girls there, until I counted 'em today.

Mims: Yea.

Diane Smith Satterfield: I was amazed.

Mims: I... I'm sort of surprised about that too, because the earlier dynamics pinpointed that there were very few...

Parnell: Wilmington.

Mims: ... Wilmington, that they mainly were attracting the rural...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Exactly.

Mims: ... farm girls...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Absolutely.

Mims: ... that this became an economic...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Um hum.

Mims: ... um, only... only way...

Diane Smith Satterfield: Right.

Mims: ... that they could go to school. And I've heard this time and time again from people, so. Well, I think we're good. I appreciate you talking to us about this. You've got a lot of stories and great detail on... on stuff that we have not had before.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Really? Good.

Mims: So... really, really appreciate this a lot.

Diane Smith Satterfield: Good.

Mims: Thank you very much.

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