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Interview with Florence Warren, March 13, 2003
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March 13, 2003
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Interviewee:  Warren, Florence J. Interviewer:  Johnson, Joyce / Unknown Interviewer 2 Date of Interview:  3/13/2003 Series:  Williston High School Length  42 minutes

 

Johnson: I'm Joyce Johnson and we're in Randall Library at UNCW and we're here today to interview Florence Johnson Warren who is the present President of the Williston Alumni Association. Miss Warren, the reason we're having this interview is because so many people don't keep papers and history and so it gives us an opportunity to get an oral history about Williston and also the Williston Alumni Association. First I'd like to ask you a little about your early life. Were you born in Wilmington and tell us about your parents?

Warren: Thank you so much, Joyce. Yes, I was born in Wilmington, have been here all of my life, all my life. I was raised up in Hillcrest, which it was a public project and which still is rather, 13th Street, 915 South 13th. We took so much pride in it I thought my parents owned that particular part of it. I thought we were rich. We walked to school. I walked to school and I stayed around in the afternoon at school because I loved school so much and I was very involved in a lot of things in elementary school and high school. And my mother used to make all my clothing so when I would be the little in the little contests that Gregory would have and I would win it, I've forgotten the name of it, well anyway, Mama would make my dress, my little frilly dress. And anything I needed, she would make. But I was very involved even in elementary school.

Johnson: Tell us about your mother.

Warren: My mom is a person that did not graduate from high school, but had a lot of common sense and still does. She's suffering with dementia now, but she still keeps me straight. She's a person that's very outspoken and says whatever comes to her mind and so often people say I'm like her. She taught me a lot. She would even talk to the young fellows who would come to ask me to go out to date them and go places with them. She would sit down and frankly tell them what was not going to exist. And I do appreciate everything my mother has done for me and still does for me.

Johnson: Do you have any siblings?

Warren: Yes, I'm the youngest of four children. I thought that someone should stay home with parents. Parents raise us and I felt like out of your family, someone should be always with parents and so I chose to be that person. In fact, when my dad would go off with WH Mceachern's horses and he would take the other children; I wanted to stay home to protect my mother because I thought that hey, somebody should. And I wanted to be around. I didn't ever want to leave her or leave him alone. And so because of that and also because of finances, I elected to stay in Wilmington to attend UNCW. At the time, it was Wilmington College with three buildings. And I started here in 1963 and ended up in 1967, but it's like a foreign territory to me now. (Laughs). So yes, I've been here all of my life.

Johnson: Tell us a little about your father.

Warren: My father worked for WH Mceachern which is Produce Company, but he also had horses down to Masonboro Sound. And my daddy would raise and train them and take them off to shows so my brothers, especially my brothers loved going with him whenever he had to go to Kentucky or places like that. So my dad was the kind of person who came from Enfield, North Carolina, but loved the outdoors. So even in Hillcrest, our yards were adorned with flowers and- and we had plenty of food. We thought we were rich, like I said. We had plenty of food because he believed in raising crops and also getting fresh meat from hogs and raising those as well.

Johnson: Tell us about your school days at Williston. What years did you attend?

Warren: All right. I attended Williston; I graduated from there in 1963 so I was there for those four years and before that Williston Junior High School. Those days to me were happy days. I had some very, very positive experiences. I had a few negative experiences, but those negative experiences made me a stronger person. For instance, I can recall so vividly that I was in the top ten of my class and one of my teachers indicated that because I was- I was near the top ten and you were- they were selecting those of us who would make speeches and one of them said to me because I was a different hue, my color was too dark that I wouldn't be selected to speak. And I will never forget that, but that made me stronger. I knew you couldn't take my academics away from me, but I say well we still have prejudice regardless whether we are black, white, or whatever. We have our preferences. But no, I was not the straight hair, light-complected female, so I did still maintain the level of being in the top ten. I was very involved. I played on the football team. We had a pow- powder pouf- puff football team. I liked to play athletics. I played basketball as well. I also was a cheerleader my senior year and I enjoyed that very much, involved in the student government association, and liked to stay after school and do things for teachers. And I just thought that was my life, being at school, always getting your homework, and never getting in trouble. In fact I was talking to someone the other day and they said, you know, the only time they got in trouble was when they thought about skipping school. I said, "Golly that never came across my mind to skip no school." I just loved it. I liked staying in the evening, going early, and that's my pattern even now, but I just loved school. I liked everything about it. I had some very interesting teachers. And (laughs) another incident that happened, I had acquired all of my basic academic courses for college prep so my senior year I took a vocational course. And my cousin and I both were in that class and that (laughs) particular teacher told me I was a bad influence even on my cousin. (Laughs). So I don't know what I did. I was just always outspoken and so I guess that was a bad negative thing he could even apply to me. But I won several contests when we would go to the State in typing and I enjoyed that as well. So I just- I just loved Williston. I thought that's what my life was, Williston. (Laughs).

Johnson: Tell me about your favorite teacher or teachers.

Warren: Okay. My favorite teacher was Mrs. Coley and before she became Mrs. Coley she was Miss Annie Highsmith. She was she married late in life. Miss Highsmith to me was very strict and because she was very strict, I liked her. I knew what she was about, I knew her expectations, and I didn't ever expect to see her smile about anything, but I- I got my work because she expected it and she wasn't playing around with it, she meant it, she was business. And I just loved everything about her. And you don't find too many people talking complimentary about her because of that. Another teacher I liked was Miss Cane and she too was very firm, but she showed some sensitivity to you. And I liked Coach Robinson in geometry. He was a little laid back, but I liked his style of teaching. I think I liked all my teachers. I really do. I know I have many favorites and I liked Miss Lydia Howie not because she taught me, but because I did my student teaching under her.

Johnson: And what did she teach?

Warren: She taught science and math.

Johnson: So that's what you teach now?

Warren: Yes.

Johnson: All right, great. What other activities did you participate in? And I know they had a lot of clubs at Williston.

Warren: I was in this club was outside of Williston, but we did consider it part of Williston, the Uniques. We had different social groups of the Uniques, the Aristocrats and a few others and I was a Unique. And I liked that because a lot of members were a part of Hillcrest and on Sundays if you went to church, you could go to somebody's house and dance in the evening on Sundays. And but if you didn't go to church, no dance. And we would have also dances on the weekends in the Hillcrest Activity Center. And so the Uniques sort of looked out for each other and we were somewhat related, but that was one of the groups I'm really fond to remember.

Johnson: And where are the Uniques today?

Warren: Spread out. (Laughs).

Johnson: Good things don't last, do they?

Warren: Yes, right. (Laughs).

Johnson: Some of the other people we interviewed talked about Senior Day at A&T. Did you have that while you were in school or was that prior to you?

Warren: it must have been prior again because I attended and graduated from here at UNCW I have not gotten affiliated in the alumni activities here like they may have at their institutions.

Johnson: No, this was at Williston.

Warren: Oh, okay.

Johnson: The senior class would take a trip to A&T.

Warren: Oh, yes. Yes, yes. Okay, Miss Hooper was in charge. Sadie Hooper would take us to Washington, DC and we had a chance to go and tour the different places in Washington. And that was always our senior trip. We enjoyed that. The busload had great fun.

Johnson: And still stayed out of trouble?

Warren: Yes, I sure did.

Johnson: And we know that there were a lot of notable graduates from Williston. Were any there your senior year or while you were attending Williston?

Warren: Okay, Ernest Dix in my class of '63, very brilliant and he won a scholarship to Yale University. And there were plenty of others, but Ernest Dix just focuses in my mind right now. If I go through the yearbook, I could probably pinpoint others, but...

Interviewer 2: And where is Mr. Dix today?

Warren: Ernest Dix now is in New Jersey I think, but I forgot the company he's working for, but he's doing well and John Tyson as well. And even now, thinking of one that did go there in '63 and graduated is a four-star general, Reginald Clements. In fact he married my cousin Sylvia Turney, she- but Reginald is a four-star general and will be retiring at Fort McNair this June.

Johnson: Sylvia taught me. She was a substitute four or five years. I don't remember.

Warren: Oh, okay. Okay, yeah.

Interviewer 2: So where are the McNair's going to live after he retires?

Warren: The Clements'.

Interviewer 2: The Clements', I'm sorry.

Warren: They're going to live in the Washington area.

Johnson: We also found out that a lot of celebrities visited Williston. Did you have that experience during your time at Williston?

Warren: Yes. In fact Althea Gibson visited along with the guy with the Globetrotters, Meadowlark.

Interviewer 2: Meadowlark Lemon.

Warren: Um hmm. And during that time, some would come during the Azalea Festival time and they would come to Williston and talk to us as motivational speakers and returning back home to their roots.

Johnson: Let me as you too, who else do you feel that we should talk with because that's how we are getting our list of persons to interview?

Warren: Okay. Barbara Ennis Davis. Have you talked with her?

Johnson: We've talked with her mother.

Warren: Okay. She was also a former president for the Alumni as well as Miss Best.

Johnson: Miss Vernelle Best?

Warren: Vernelle Best.

Johnson: Yes, we've interviewed Miss Vernelle.

Warren: Oh, okay. Okay. I'll think of some.

Interviewer 2: If you do, you can let us know anytime.

Johnson: How do you feel about the closing of Williston?

Warren: I never was in favor of Williston closing as a high school. I always felt that Williston building, Williston High School name itself could have been utilized by remaining a high school and allowing others to come to that school and refurbishing it, renovating it, supplying it with the current curriculum and books and materials that were necessary. And if you look at it now, why is now the building renovated as a middle school and being well utilized? Why couldn't it have happened then and not closed? Because I went through Williston, I cherish a lot of the- the principles, the morals, the strengths that they taught me not only a- academically, but socially because we saw so many of them at church and in social settings. You know, I just- I just never accepted and never want to accept that we had to take that measure and close the school down. I was there at the time when they closed it. I was...

Johnson: And you were a teacher by then?

Warren: A teacher. I was then moved to New Hanover High School and my first year there was not a pleasant circumstance. I didn't really enjoy my first year there. And I was involved with the students who were upset about the school closing and- and then got involved also with the group at Gregory Congregational where we would meet and the Wilmington ________ was then noted at that time. I think the school should have existed as a high school.

Johnson: As an integrated school?

Warren: Yes.

Johnson: You do feel that it would have survived?

Warren: It would have survived as an integrated school had this community wanted it to survive. It certainly still would have survived even as a segregated school even now in 2003.

Johnson: Tell us about the meetings that you had at Gregory.

Warren: Oh yes. I was teaching biology at New Hanover High School and at the time, I think it was Mr. Sauce, no, not Mr. Sauce. I can't recall his name that was the principal. But anyway, I used to have to assist him to calm the students down because they were upset about a lot of things. And if you were a student, you could identify at that time with them. They wanted to be a part of the cheering squad or part of a lot of activities and they were kind of not accepted. And so we would hold meetings because they would get upset and walk out of the classes and we would hold meetings or gatherings in the gym. So I was there to kind of calm them down. And so then we started meeting at Gregory to discuss some issues because not only there in New Hanover, we were having concerns at Hoggard. So along with maybe two other teachers, we got involved helping the students trying to get different thing- things through and that kind of thing. And- and my husband declares that that's why (laughs) the Wilmington Journal was bumped at the time because I lived above it when it was bumped.

Interviewer 2: Oh, you did?

Warren: Yes, I did. But I don't think that...

Interviewer 2: But you were trying to bring reconciliation.

Warren: Harmony and peace. Uh huh, right.

Interviewer 2: In spite of all the...

Warren: Right.

Interviewer 2: You said the first year at New Hanover was pretty unpleasant.

Warren: Right, yes. It was unpleasant for me because I thought that I presented myself as a friendly, outgoing teacher, professional, but I wasn't accepted that way. I remember one teacher, a male, Mr. Tuttle, in fact his he did go to UNCW as well, he was the only one that was very receptive. Nancy Horton as well as Diane Avery, those were accepting people, but others I- it was though I was invisible. I remember so vividly, because we were taught social things, the first time I saw two people kissing, a girl and a guy who happened to be white in the hallway, I approached them and I said, "No, we don't do that." Well, they looked at me as though I was crazy. And so my black boys and girls, young males and females thought that it was okay because they did it. I said, "Oh, no. That's something we do at home in privacy." And there were a lot of things that I saw being done by students that were not monitored by the teachers. They allowed it to happen. And for lunch, I would go outside and sit on the steps on the Princess Street side with other students- with students and socialize with them because they were more friendly because when I would go in the lounge, the conversations would stop and so I said, "Okay, I didn't need to do anything but use the restroom," and go on out. And so I had my lunch on the outside with the students. And at that time, the students in fact would come to my house. We were very warm and- and sociable together and they wanted to keep me up with things, I wanted to learn what they were dealing with, so they would come to my house over the weekend sometimes.

Interviewer 2: And that was the kind of climate or culture that Williston had too, right?

Warren: Right. Exactly, exactly.

Interviewer 2: The teachers and the students were allies and not adversaries.

Warren: That's right. That's right.

Interviewer 2: Yeah. It's too bad we've lost some of that.

Warren: Yeah, it is. It is.

Johnson: Tell me about the Williston Alumni Association and what you are doing today.

Warren: All right. Currently, the Williston Alumni Association is going to focus back on our major goal and purpose and that is to award scholarships to deserving young high school seniors who will be going to college. So in fact we have our application forms out in the community and the media will be picking up on that as well as the counselors at the four high- at the five high schools should have the forms and the information. So our focus now is getting back to that, our main goal. Recently, we just had to relinquish the use of the old Jordan Funeral Home building where we did get a grant and had a positive connection project with young kids. We would bring them in and have people in the community to relate to them to show them positive things about them so they could perhaps be considered mentoring them. We were doing several fundraisers to try to also just keep Williston's name out there and not really making a great deal of money, but bringing that camaraderie back and having fellowships for Willistonians during the July and during the Christmas holidays.

Johnson: Tell us about the events you have in July.

Warren: Okay, generally in July we have what we call the mix and we will generally have that on the grounds of Williston where different reunion groups, associations will come and set up little booths or tables and sell memorabilia's about their of their classes are doing for fundraisers or we would have groups just coming out from the public and setting up vendor spaces. We did have our last couple of years our last mix at the 7th Street site so this year we will probably have it back on the grounds of Williston. We've had very successful mixes there are Williston and while we are on the grounds at Williston, we try to get them to tour the facility. And I'm excited about the fact that I'm there at Williston and I want us to go back into the facility to see the renovation. And of course it's not like what it used to be as Williston Senior High School. It- it has the name of Williston, but it's a middle school. It's renovated and it's a state of the art kind of facility compared to what we left so I do encourage people to- to tour when we do have the mix there so they can see what changes have taken place.

Johnson: Can you mention the function you have in December?

Warren: Okay. Generally during the Christmas, we will have a Christmas or holiday dance. This will allow people who are visiting their families to come and join us, have fun, but it's always good to say, "Where have you been? What have you been doing?" and fellowship and- and reconnect. And that's great. And a lot of people we find out are coming back to Wilmington and so we don't see them, but at the dance they will come. And we will say, "Well where have you been?" And they'll say, "Oh, I'm back here to- to stay." And we'll say, "Great, get involved. We need you."

Johnson: Now do you have a lot of participation in these activities?

Warren: We do have I think more participation in the activities than we do at our regular monthly meeting. I think people may have their lives so diverse that they don't have the time to come to a regular meeting, but with functions like that they will come. And for instance even though it was not a Williston Alumni function, but Sunday we had members of a Williston Alumni choral group singing in concert with a couple of other groups. We saw a lot of former Willistonians who came because of that. And those are the kinds of things that make you feel good to know that whenever you say Williston Alumni you see people that you want to see, you see people that you haven't seen, and you see people because you know they have always had fond memories of Williston and we're proud of that.

Interviewer 2: That choral group especially is really something, isn't it?

Warren: Phenomenal.

Interviewer 2: Yeah. Do you sing in the choral group?

Warren: Oh, I can't even read music. (Laughs). No, ma'am.

Interviewer 2: Didn't they sing at the White House at one point?

Warren: Yes, they did. Yes.

Interviewer 2: Do you remember what year that was?

Warren: no, Miss Effa has to tell you that. (Laughs). I never remember years, but we took two charter busloads and those of us who were there.

Interviewer 2: You went along on that trip there?

Warren: Yes. We were just supporters. Yeah, we really did.

Interviewer 2: That must have been something special.

Warren: That's what she asked me on that and the year did not come to me either, so...

Interviewer 2: Okay, we'll have to look it up.

Warren: (Inaudible).

Interviewer 2: We're going to talk to her soon.

Warren: She will remember that too, yes.

Interviewer 2: She'll know right away, huh? Great, great.

Johnson: While you were at Williston, was Miss Odell with the Glee Club then?

Warren: Yes. Yes, she was.

Johnson: Okay. Tell us about Williston Glee Club during that time.

Warren: Okay. All I can tell you is that they performed. She worked them and they performed. As I indicated, I'm not a singing person and can't read music, but I like to hear good music. And one thing I can say about Mrs. Odell, she was a perfectionist and she acquired that she of course instilled that in them and they acquired that as well. And the Glee Club per- performed at so many functions and that brings back to memory about how the band would perform at the Azalea Festival time and how Mr. Floyd would- will- would require the same kind of perfectionist kind of participants as Miss Odell in- in the Glee Club. And we had the strutting majorettes and all of that. But Mrs. Odell was on top of things and before that I understand Mr. Thompson was there, but Mrs. Odell was there during my time.

Johnson: What about Miss Burnette?

Warren: Miss Burnette. Yes, yes I had Miss Burnette. She was the one that taught me typing. And I appreciated her teaching me typing and that's when I indicated I did so well in the speed and accuracy that I went to at least three competitions that were held and one State level when we went to uh.. A&T and to Bennett College and had those State competitions at the time.

Johnson: Tell us what Williston meant to you.

Warren: Okay. Williston meant a second family to me. The teachers, the principal, the custodian staff, the cafeteria workers, the students, everybody seemed to me to be my family and I still feel like that. And there were times when we didn't see eye to eye on things, but yet that's the same thing in a family. And I remember another incident when I was in elementary school. At the time I had long hair. My mother would do my hair. She would wash it, she would press it, she would curl it, and- and whatever. Well, this particular time, my mother cut my hair. She believed in the full moon and that at that time you needed to cut it so it can produce more growth. So I went to school and my teacher happened to have been a member of my church, Miss Celia Trent. And she taught me penmanship too. That's another thing that __________ taught.

Interviewer 2: You have lovely penmanship.

Warren: Oh, man. She taught it and I admire her. Well anyway, she asked me, "Who cut your hair?" And I told her and she said, "You shouldn't have her cut it. You"- you know? And so I went home and I said, "Mom, Miss Trent said you shouldn't cut my hair." My mama said a bad word and told me that Miss Trent needed to tend to her business. So of course Florence went back to school the next day and told Miss Trent, "My mother said blind, you need to stay to your business." (Laughs). However, my mother beat me for when I gave advice. That was not what I was supposed to do. And in fact I remember having that beating and one other beating in my life and no other beatings. But I repeated exactly what she said be- and of course my mama told me I was not to have done that because that was between the two of us, right? (Laughs). And of course she saw Miss Trent at church and she apologized, but told her, you know, she periodically will cut my hair when there's a full moon so that it will stop the splitting and growth will continue. But anyway, it was, I said that's a family affair. (Laughs). So Williston meant to me to be- it- it meant that I had a second family, I could always connect. And you just don't know how thrilling it was to do my student teaching at Williston then to left the school system for awhile to do some other things and then to be rehired back at Williston and now still at Williston is just a thrill to have had that opportunity to go through Williston, see the changes, even reflect on how it could have been even if it stayed as it was. But it's just a family. It's still a family to me.

Johnson: Now do you see many of your friends, your classmates that attended Williston?

Warren: In fact my class of '63 we have our monthly meetings and- and we still are close. We're- to me we're closer now than we were in high school because we had our different little groups that we associated with. And those that are here now and we meet monthly are not the same ones I associated with in high school. They're gone to Baltimore or other places. And I do hear from them occasionally and when they come in town, you know, we get together. But we have a relationship now with one another because we've grown and- and we've passed the stages of certain social functions that we're now connected together spiritually and we know that life is short and is precious and in the world of turmoil as it is now we don't have time for foolishness. So I even like the relationship we have with one another.

Johnson: And I was told that you were a speaker at one of the class reunions. Tell me about that.

Warren: Yes. In fact it was the class of '70...

Johnson: 1972.

Warren: '72 if they would have graduated. And I spoke to that class during their reunion. I've spoken to a couple of other classes, but that was the most recent one. And this is the group that really wants to get involved in the Williston Alumni Association. In fact they like making a difference. They visited some of the seniors in the community and took upon themselves the project of cleaning their years. And they thought that this is how they could contribute and use the name Williston Alumni Association. And so we're trying to get them involved, we're trying to get younger groups involved, and people want to associate with Williston because we want the uh.. Association to continue and we want good, positive things out there in the community. And so yes, I had spoken to the- to the group during their alumni reunion.

Johnson: Are there any other closing statements you'd like to make?

Warren: I just encourage people to get involved with the Williston Alumni Association and we're going to try to get involved, more involved in the community, more involved at Williston school as well, and also trying to do what we can to help maintain the Williston Auditorium and the uh.. Museum on Market Street. But I just love Williston and I love teaching and the person that has inspired me a great deal has been Miss Ethel Gerald. I just wish I had the memory she had. (Laughs).

Johnson: We thank you so much for coming today and sharing your memories of Williston.

Interviewer 2: I want to ask a question. You came to UNCW you said in 1963?

Warren: And graduated in '67.

Interviewer 2: Wasn't that one of the first years that African American students were..?

Warren: That's right. That's exactly right. I was one of the first five who graduated.

Interviewer 2: Well, congratulations.

Warren: Thank you.

Interviewer 2: I've just been reading in the little history of Wilmington College.

Warren: Right. That's what it was.

Interviewer 2: And they mentioned that they had the Williston unit of Wilmington College.

Warren: That's right. But I was in the regular.

Interviewer 2: You were among the first that came out here to this campus?

Warren: Right. And I worked in the student union building in this, at that time, we called it the Seahawk. And I can't remember the latest name. Miss Price, she was off of Frances Place that- that ran the store, that bookstore.

Interviewer 2: Right and Marshall Crews was the Dean.

Warren: That's exactly right.

Interviewer 2: He writes about the bookstore starting when he presented them with a box of candy bars.

Warren: That's right. That's right.

Interviewer 2: And then they took the profits of that box of candy bars to buy more stuff for the bookstore.

Warren: And I recent- I saw him during the summer when I would go to uh... K&W for breakfast a lot and he's one of my favorites as well as Mrs. Hernandez. She taught me Spanish. And Dr. Bellamy and his wife taught me Spanish as well.

Interviewer 2: Mary Bellamy?

Warren: Yes. Um hmm.

Interviewer 2: Good. Do you happen to remember Dr. Randall?

Warren: Yes, I do.

Interviewer 2: What do you remember about him?

Warren: He was very kind of businesslike, a stoic kind of person, yes.

Interviewer 2: Quite the scholar.

Warren: Yes, yes.

Interviewer 2: A good example I guess.

Warren: Definitely. (Laughs). Yeah and Dr. Plyer.

Interviewer 2: Plyler, right, Dan Plyler.

Warren: Right, Dan. I worked in his lab for awhile and I remember when he had his twins. Um hmm, and now he's retired.

Interviewer 2: Right. And they've got children I believe. Right, so then after you left here, you said your first teaching job was back at Williston High School.

Warren: At Williston. That's right.

Interviewer 2: And then from there you went to New Hanover?

Warren: Right. In fact I took Zip Johnson's spot. He went to Charleston? No, he went to GE at Dupont. Okay, and that's the position I took.

Interviewer 2: But he left teaching and you..?

Warren: Right, right.

Johnson: I remember when she came to Williston.

Interviewer 2: Oh, do you? And were you a student of Ms. Warren's?

Johnson: No, I wasn't.

Interviewer 2: Oh, okay.

Johnson: You taught chemistry then, right?

Warren: Right, right. Um hmm.

Interviewer 2: And then you taught biology at New Hanover High?

Warren: That's right.

Interviewer 2: And now you're teaching at..?

Warren: Math and science, 6th grade.

Interviewer 2: At Williston Middle School.

Warren: Williston Middle School.

Interviewer 2: So you've come full circle back to your home place.

Warren: That's right. Right.

Interviewer 2: That's great.

Warren: And when I left New Hanover, the first year I left I joined up with a group __________ that started the night school program at Hoggard and then I left there and worked with the government, city government, well the community development block grant- block grant because that grant from the Board of Education was the same year Dr. Hulon.

Johnson: Yes, Harold Hulon.

Warren: We were there at the same time. I was his student, so I placed above him and I was proud of that (laughs) even though he, neither of us won that election. But that was one teacher out here I didn't care for at all. Howard Hulon. But anyway, yes, I am full circle now. Um hmm.

Interviewer 2: Yeah. One of the things and I guess I'm asking and obvious question, but you can comment on it was didn't Williston serve as a role of sort of sheltering the students from the discrimination they would face out in the community?

Warren: I think so. I really think so.

Interviewer 2: I guess you got a taste of that when you went to New Hanover.

Warren: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And see even living in Hillcrest, my parents didn't raise me that way. The first time I ever heard a negative name about white people was when a guy from South Carolina came up to visit a neighbor and he called- they were passing from what's the other project, the white project that is still on 13th Street? Houston Ward. And they were passing and he- he called them names. And so we went in the house and asked my parents, my mother especially why did this boy call this white guy this name? And she told us that that's how people pick at each other and that's not good to do. And, you know, she'd always taught and my dad always taught that, you know, everybody's the same even though we knew my daddy looked up to his boss and other people, but you know, we were sheltered. And we thought people will accept you for what you were and what you are. Um hmm.

Interviewer 2: Well, I was interested in the story about your transition into New Hanover High. We don't hear that story very often. It's nice to have that on tape, so we appreciate you joining us.

Warren: Okay, okay.

Interviewer 2: Okay, anybody else?

Johnson: I guess that's it.

Interviewer 2: All right.

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