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Interview with John Hall, January 16, 2008
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January 16, 2008
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Interview with Chaplain John Hall, Retired.
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Interviewee:  Hall, John Interviewer:  Zarbock, Paul Date of Interview:  1/16/08 Series:  Military Chaplains Length  60 minutes

 

Zarbock: Good afternoon. My name is Paul Zarbock. I'm a staff member with the University of North Carolina at Wilmington's Randall Library. This videotape is part of the Military Chaplain's Oral History Project. Today is the 16th of January, in the year 2008. And we're at the home of Chaplain and Mrs. John Hall in Pawleys Island, South Carolina. Good afternoon, Chaplain, how are you?

Hall: Good, I am fine.

Zarbock: Chaplain, how did you, or why did you enter the ministry?

Hall: Well, back when I was in college in Illinois, I felt that God had a special place for me to do something. And my friend was free one night, and he said, "You're waiting for God to send you a telegram." And that spurred me to go to college and change my major to Religion. And I became a minister. But I knew I was going to leave there and do foreign missions, or to the chaplaincy. And when I was in seminary, I still didn't know. But I went to a chaplain conference, and two Navy chaplains one day were talking to me. And one said, "Why don't you look into the Navy?" I said, "That's fine with me, but my wife would never put up with separation." And they started laughing. And I said, "What are you laughing about?" And they said, "Well, because you'd get a honeymoon every six months."

Zarbock: Where did you graduate from college?

Hall: I graduated college in Louisiana College in Pineville, Louisiana, and seminary in Golden Gate in San Francisco, and Duke University.

Zarbock: You got a Master's at Duke University? Well, so there you are. You had had service as an enlisted man in the Air Force.

Hall: Yeah.

Zarbock: Before you finished your college and then applied for a position as chaplain in the Navy.

Hall: Right, yeah, at college.

Zarbock: Who taught you stuff like how to wear a uniform? What do you do as a chaplain?

Hall: I was already in the military, so I knew about uniforms and saluting and all that. But it was no problem, but I think every chaplain ought to be enlisted.

Zarbock: Where you first assigned when you were commissioned?

Hall: My first assignment was M.S.T.S., which is a transport service of a unit, across the Pacific to Vietnam and different places, I had my first duty. And it was, I think on there, that I ran into three guys who were talking one day outside on the outer deck. And two could see me, and one-- I was coming toward them. And the one that couldn't see me was talking. And by the time I got to them, he said, "Jesus Christ!" I said, "No, just Chaplain," and kept walking.

Zarbock: [laughs] You know, off-camera, I said I was going to ask you to reminisce about, oh, maybe funny things or warmhearted things. That certainly was one. Do you have any more of those great--

Hall: Yes, at Camp Lejeune. I used to go up with an Anglican and watch them jump out of the aircraft. And one day, a friend of mine said, "Chaplain, when you going to jump with us?" I said, "Well, I thought about that." But if I would jump, I'd go up and go straight down, you couldn't time it.

Zarbock: So I assume you never did jump out of an airplane.

Hall: Never did.

Zarbock: I'm glad.

Hall: I relieved a chaplain that did, Bob Budenfell. He was a paratrooper too.

Zarbock: What about events, as a chaplain, of a heartrending nature?

Hall: Well, I would think two things. One: in Vietnam, a kid came to me crying. I said, "What's the matter?" He said, "Read this." And he gave me a letter from his girlfriend that was a "Dear John" letter. And after he quit crying, I said, "Do you love her?" He said, "What do you hell do you think I'm talking all this for?" I said, "If you love her, write her back and tell her you love her so much, you'd let her go. If she loves you, she'll get back to you." Because he believed her mother broke them up. I said, "If you rant and rave at her, she'll-- her mother will say, 'See?!'" And the other one, in Camp Pendleton, one night I was getting ready for-- I had the duty, and I was at a hospital. And so then I'm in early and got comfortable to watch the World Series on ball game, on TV. And the phone rang. And it was the duty O.D. He said, "Chaplain, I've got a guy on the line who said the Devil is trying to kill him." I said, "Tell the sergeant to bring him in, and I'll meet him down at the office." So I went down, and I didn't see anybody. And so the office was next door to the theater, and people were coming out of the theater. And so I said, "Is there anybody here who wants to see a chaplain?" And somebody way on the other end of the hall, he turned around real fast and just started walking toward me, real-- like he was in a trance. And he got maybe two feet from me, I put my hand up to stop him, and he hit my arm and just fell facedown on the floor. And what happened, he was dating a white witch in San Diego. And finally, the sergeant got on top of him and held him down while they got a straightjacket, and put the straightjacket on him. When they got to-- finally, he came to, he said, "Get off me. What are you doing?" He said, [deep voice] "Shut up, you fool." So when they took him to the E.R., I went with him. He looked at me and said, "Chaplain, I didn't want to hurt you." I said, "I didn't want you to hurt me either." He said, "You don't understand. The devil told me to find the chaplain and kill him."

Zarbock: Ooh.

Hall: One time in Vietnam, I was in the "O" Club, waiting for dinner. And the guy came to the door. And so, one of the officers answered the door and said, "Chaplain, a guy wants to see you." So I went outside. He said, "Chaplain," he said, "we got a guy on the hooch; he won't let anybody come near him. He said he'd kill anybody that'd come near him." I said, "You want me?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Okay." So I went to the hooch, to a door, you can see inside. And he was laying on the cot with a gun on his chest. And he said, "Chaplain, you know how I feel?" I said, "No." He said, "Chaplain, it wouldn't bother me to blow your brains out." I said, "It'd bother me." But they sent him back to the States.

Zarbock: How long were you in Vietnam?

Hall: About nine months.

Zarbock: Hot?

Hall: '69, yeah. Yeah, '69.

Zarbock: You were serving with the Marines?

Hall: No. I was serving actually on Third Wing Division compound of the Seabees.

Zarbock: Were you living under canvas? Were you living in a tent?

Hall: No. Wooden hooches, which were mainly screened, but there were, like, awnings you put down to keep sand out.

Zarbock: What did you have for a chapel?

Hall: We had a good chapel. We had probably the best building on the campus, on the camp, I mean. We had a fine chapel. Matter of fact, in Vietnam, there was only standing room at services. I asked my predecessor, I said, "Why is everybody here?" He said, "Because they hate the C.O., and the C.O. comes to every service. And so they get there early and make him stand."

Zarbock: Again, off camera, one of the things that I said: I was going to ask you was to tell me something that was funny, tell me something that was sad, and then tell me something that is absolutely a mix-up in the military, something that went wrong. I mean, not purposely, but it's a huge organization, the military, and things go wrong.

Hall: Well, one time, I was commissioned in Norfolk, in Norfolk Naval Station. And one of the [inaudible] there were Eastern officers in Washington was there and talking. And he asked for questions. I raised my hand. He said, "Yes." I said, "Who's on the change desk?"

Zarbock: Who's what?

Hall: On the change desk. He said, "What do you mean?" I said, "Well, you put out a paper every month that says 'This guy's going to here, this guy's going here.' And about every other line, there's somebody changed from this rotation to this rotation. Must be somebody working fulltime on change-offs." He said, "Okay."

Zarbock: When you look back on your military career-- What I'm trying to do is to ask you, diplomatically, what was your favorite assignment? When you look back on it and say, "Boy, I really enjoyed..."

Hall: Probably Memphis. But I liked all my assignments.

Zarbock: Yes. Memphis would be Naval Air Station in Memphis.

Hall: Yeah.

Zarbock: What were your duties, there?

Hall: Well, I was second in charge in chaplains. I was counseling and preaching, and you know, what a chaplain does.

Zarbock: On bases like that, were there difficulties about alcohol? Were there difficulties about drugs?

Hall: No, not so much as on a ship in war; more alcohol.

Zarbock: On a ship?

Hall: I mean, the guy-- well, my ship was tied up to the pier most time.

Zarbock: Sure.

Hall: One time, one guy-- one guy came and knocked on the door and came in. He said, "Chaplain, I'm going to need to talk to you about my marriage." I said, "Okay, but first I'm going to ask you something." He said, "What's that?" I said, "Do you have a drinking problem?" Because he had all the facial look of a drunkard; you know, he had bloodshot eyes. But he was saying he was sober, then. He said, "Yep, what's that to do with it?" I said, "Maybe nothing. But maybe it does have something to do with it. Therefore, I want you go to the hospital and be checked out for alcoholism. And if they said 'No,' come back and I'll talk to you about your marriage. But I guarantee, you won't fix it unless you fix the problem if you have one." So he went to the hospital. Well, he said to me, "I think you're crazy, but I'd be crazy not to follow your advice. I came here for your help." So he went to the hospital. The hospital grabbed him up and put him in the rehab for six weeks, right away. And after six weeks, his submarine went on about a three-month cruise. About six months later, a knock on the door. Opened the door, it's the same guy standing there. He said, "Chaplain, remember me?" And he looked like me or you. I said, "Yes, I mean..." He said, "Well, you're right." He said, "I had a alcohol problem." He said, "But you're right about something else too." I said, "What's that?" He said, "You said that even if I had a problem and fixed it, it might not fix the marriage. We're getting divorced." I said, "Oh, I'm sorry." He said, "No, I'm not." He said, "I'd rather be sober and single, than married and drunk. My wife put me to bed every night, did everything for me, so she helped me."

Zarbock: You've triggered off a memory of mine. I've asked all the other chaplains: Was there ever a time during your military career when you were ordered, or when it was suggested, or with a wink and a kind of a nudge, that you do something that was against your personal belief and ethic? Were you ever told to do something?

Hall: Well, when on my first duty, a little kid ensign, he was in charge of games on the ship. The ship was a, we were a transport; we took troops and dependents across seas. And he was in charge of the bingo night and things like that. And he came to me, he said, "Chaplain, how about calling bingo tonight?" I said, "How 'bout that." He said, "We..." I said, "No." He said, "Why not?" I said, "I'll tell you what. I don't gamble; I'm not going to help people gamble. He said, "That's not gambling. They just pay a dollar and that's it." I said, "Well," I said, "I'll tell you what." I said, "Either give the cards free and don't charge anything, or you should charge and don't give gifts." First he said, "We can't afford that." Second, he said, "They won't play if we don't give gifts." I said, "Okay, give some cards free to those that are wanting gifts. And charge the others." Well, that's too much trouble. I said, "Well, you're answering your own question." I said, "Forget it."

Zarbock: But you were never ordered to do anything?

Hall: No, no. A chaplain that does against his own beliefs, I think he's too weak to be a chaplain.

Zarbock: Now you served with Navy personnel, and you also served with Marines?

Hall: Yes.

Zarbock: What was the difference between the Marines and the Navy personnel?

Hall: Well, I don't think there's much difference in the personnel. But the difference is seen in the bosses. In the Navy, the Chaplain is everything, if he has time-- like, let me explain to you. When I left Duke and went to the Orion in Charleston, I called the Chaplain as we were leaving, before it got there. I said, "What's your duties like?" And he started telling me about things he did. I said, "Wait a minute, Bob. When are you just chaplain?" He said, "John, if I don't have time, I don't have time." I said, "Do me a favor, get rid of all the jobs you can before I get there." So I got rid of most of them, but there were two or three left, like newspaper officer and things, all that. But I got rid of them. Not you, what's the name of that-- we did the-- I can't think of it now. Anyway, we had a meeting, I said to the guys, I said, "I'll be the chairman this week. I want you, next week, to let [inaudible]. And they did. But that's during the Navy. The Marine Corps, when I went to Camp Lejeune, I got there the same day that my colonel was changing duty. And the new colonel came.

Zarbock: You and the new colonel arrived at the same time?

Hall: Day.

Zarbock: Uh-huh.

Hall: And before I met him, he came down to my office and he walked into the cultural office, and out of the corner, and the clerk jumped up. And I thought, "What in the world's going on?" I stood up and headed around the corner. And the colonel was sitting there. He said, "Sit down, kid; sit down." So he came in. He said, "Chaplain, I wanted to meet you early." He said, "You're in the first row on the end of [inaudible], me and Nick on the other end. If we avoid a mix-up, we'll have a good battalion, I expect you to be a chaplain." I said, "I feel like I've died and gone to heaven." Because that's the way the Marines were. Then, you were the chaplain if you did the job, but you're busy.

Zarbock: I have yet to interview a Navy chaplain who had served in the Marines that didn't say that was some of the finer duty stations that they had experienced.

Hall: Yeah, if they split to Navy over there first to the Army, I would join the Marine Corps.

Zarbock: But I was also told that you have to prove yourself. We were chatting at your wife's wonderful luncheon, about a Marine Corps chaplain that went on a before-breakfast run with a bunch of Marines, a battalion run. And they ran for hours. Now, I've been told that if you're a Navy chaplain with the Marines, if the Marines are doing it, you're going to do it.

Hall: Sure.

Zarbock: I'm sorry, you're told to do it. And if you can't do it, well...

Hall: That was good duty; I liked the Marines.

Zarbock: I was also told that the Marines are trained to be warriors, period. They are basically light infantry, and no matter what your job is, with the exception of the chaplain, everybody's supposed to be at the rifle range or pistol range. Not the chaplain, of course. That's the only separation. But if they're doing it, you're going to do it. Crawl through the mud or sleep out in the woods. How come that was so much fun? Sounds like an awful lot of scary, dangerous, dirty stuff.

Hall: I think it's the way you're created. I think that the [inaudible] respect, you for laying there with so many, with the Navy medics.

Zarbock: Yeah. The Marines have told me that because they're all combat people, medics and the chaplain, one was supposed to get you better and one was supposed to try and see that your last hours... What was the worst duty assignment you've had?

Hall: Probably the worst was-- like I said, I liked all of them.

Zarbock: Yeah.

Hall: But probably the worst, was the [inaudible] I had about eight different ships. And had to go around different ships. And you never felt at home.

Zarbock: Would they pass you from ship to ship?

Hall: Yeah.

Zarbock: How would you get from ship to ship?

Hall: High line, usually.

Zarbock: For the purpose of the tape, what do you mean by "high line"?

Hall: Well, they sent a line from one ship to the other. And they put you in a basket, and you'd go and pray that the waves don't make you go down.

Zarbock: When you made it from ship to ship, how were you received at the receiving ship?

Hall: Received well. But I mean, you felt like a visitor. You're never part of the ship. But I mean, you know, you'd do the best you could. I had one C.O. on a destroyer sub with eight hits. And he was the worst one I've had. He hated chaplains.

Zarbock: Why? He just did? Well.

Hall: One time, a friend of mine called me; he was a chaplain on another ship. He said, "Chaplain, my C.O. is making life hell." I said, "What do you mean?" He said, "John," he said, "He tells me to let him know wherever I go. I have to check in and leave the ship, and the chaplains which come in." I said, "Well, do what he says." I said, "If you get caught some night at 2:00 in the morning, call him and tell him where you're going. Do it [inaudible] for him, and he'll quit." And the other guy, one time, I was telling Ryan, the tender on the next ship in Charleston, was a destroyer tender. And Billy Dennis was the chaplain. And he came over one night, he said, "John," he says, "we got a new C.O. And he hates chaplains." I said, "What do you mean?" He said, "Well, he said, "in the war dream, he said, 'Chaplain, you might as well know, I hate Christians.'" I said, "Well, Captain, you got it made. This ship, won't find any here."

" Try again, slowly.

"

"Hall: He said, "Chaplain, I hate chaplains." I said, "Captain, you got it made here. You won't find any here."

"

"Zarbock: But that response was unusual, wasn't it?

"

"Hall: Yes. Very unusual. I had one C.O., one commodore, who was a dedicated Christian. And one night, one day I want into the Ops office, and the operations officer was there. And he was on the phone. And he said, "Yes, sir; yes, sir; yes, sir; yes, sir." and hung up. And he turned around and saw me. He said, "Chaplain, oh hi," he said, "you won't believe what happened." I said, "What happened?" He said, "Well, one of our subs in the Med dropped a bubble. They really messed up. He said, "The commodore is in Florida, and I had to phone him and tell him." He said, "Most guys would have cussed me out. All I did was pass the word." He said the commodore said, "Well, Jim, you know you need to do this, and this, and this." "Yes, sir; yes, sir." I said, "Jim, do you know why he's so calm?" He said, "Why?" I said, "Because he's a Christian." He said, "John," he said, "you know I'm not religious, I never go to chapel. But I've seen a lot of C.O.s come and go and with a Bible under his arm." It was not long before he knew who he was really with. He was really with him.

"

"Zarbock: You were married at the-- I'm sorry, let me start it a different way. How long were you on active duty as a chaplain?

"

"Hall: 26, 26 years.

"

"Zarbock: And you were married at the time. And you had two sons.

"

"Hall: No. I had a son and daughter.

"

"Zarbock: Son and a daughter. How did they get along, being transferred here and transferred there?

"

"Hall: Fine.

"

"Zarbock: Do they talk about it now? About experiences?

"

"Hall: Not much. Some.

" "" How about the hurricane?

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""Hall: Oh, yeah. The hurricane. We were in Gulfport. I was in Vietnam, but my family was in Gulfport during Camille. And my son, well, my wife, at first when they called her back right at the base, and she refused to go, because she was seven miles north onto the beach, and the base was almost on the beach. And so she nailed the hallway door shut to the living room because the wind had broke our window in the living room. And when they came back, my son, he was about three years old, he didn't talk, for about three days.

""

""Zarbock: Really.

""

""Zarbock: And they told you Gulfport was gone.

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""Hall: Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was in Vietnam at the airport in Tan Son Nhat ready to fly home. And we listened to shortwave radio, and they were saying, "Gulfport is no more." Passed, [inaudible] the time passed. And when I got home, we flew in over Mississippi, and it looked like a madman had gone through it with a big bulldozer and tore up forest. And they said that the hurricane was full of tornadoes. And my backyard had a lot of pine trees. And one pine tree, maybe from here to the steps from the house, was chewed off about four feet from the ground, and the rest of it, gone. One pine tree was bent; it wasn't broke, it's bent. And the top was on the ground. And one pine tree was uprooted.

""

""Zarbock: But your son, you say, did not speak-- but for three days.

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""Hall: He's okay, now.

""

""Zarbock: But for three days?

""

""Hall: Yeah, right.

""

""Zarbock: You know, something else, I wonder if you'd touch on. Again, with other chaplains, I would ask what was it like, knowing that you were going to be deployed, and the time was getting closer and closer, and the wife is going to be Mr. Dad and Mrs. Mom at the same time. And you're going to get on a ship, or go to some port or post away. And the tensions begin to rise.

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""Hall: No, if never had a problem. But I mean, when you're the hugest thing in the part of Vietnam, I went down with a self-propelled lawn mower and a refrigerator and a little girl's bedroom. And I went to pay for it, and the girl asked me if I wanted revolving charge or time payment. And so I said, "On time payment." And they just put that. So, about a week later I went back to the tour, and I made the first payment, myself. And they said, "How much do you owe?" I said, "I'm not, it's not for me to say, it's for you to give me." And so they came out just give it to me, it was less I owed. I said, "No," I said, "You're discussing, go find her and ask her." So got the right answer, came back with the right answer; I paid the whole thing. And so, about two weeks later, just before I was going to Vietnam, the bill came, and it said that I owed so much, I paid so much, I had so much coming to me left over. So I went back to the store. I said, "Look, we're even. But I'm telling my wife, if next month the bill comes showing that she has an excess amount, she has my permission to come buy that much."

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""Zarbock: Do you remember any Christmastime when you were on shipboard or in--

""

""Hall: As a matter of fact, when I went to Norfolk, to get them to [inaudible], they sent me over to get the ships and the meds; they threw me to work on Christmas eve. And so, the ship didn't even know I was coming. And so, when I got there, I went to services with the guys on the ship. And I mean, we had Christmas early, but that's the way it was.

""

""Zarbock: Was that the only Christmas that you were--

""

""Hall: Well, yeah, actually it was, for me.

""

""Zarbock: You know, unless you've been in a foreign country when one of our national holidays, like you'll be in a foreign country and it's 4th of July. Well, it doesn't mean anything to anybody else. Labor Day, it doesn't mean anything to anybody else. Thanksgiving-- oh, you know, "We don't know what you're talking about." But I would think, that as a chaplain, if you were on ship or if you were up-country someplace in a foreign country, that part of your responsibility is to celebrate these national holidays, or--

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""Hall: Yeah, I think I probably had the first Easter sunrise service in the world, one year.

""

""Zarbock: Where?

""

""Hall: I was in the middle of the Pacific, we'd just crossed the International Dateline.

""

""Zarbock: Really?

""

""Hall: So I did the first service in the world.

""

""Zarbock: A chaplain gets called upon to meet other denominational requests. Like, I happen to be of the Lutheran persuasion. If I came to you as a Lutheran, and said, "Chaplain, I'd like to have a Lutheran service," or "I'd like to have a Latter-Day-Saints service," or "I'd like to have a Christian Science service," how would you respond?

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""Hall: Well, I would try to find a chaplain nearby for trade. If there was none, I've give any of the churches, do the best you can.

""

""Zarbock: Sure.

""

""Hall: We did that in Cuba and in Guantanamo, because they couldn't trade. And we had-- let's see, we had a Latter Day service, Latter Day Saint service, we had a Christian Science Service, we had a gospel service, you know, black gospel service. We had, let's see, what did we have? We had about 10 diverse services. One time in Cuba, a chief, Coast Guard chief, matter of fact, you met the [inaudible] you know, we made [inaudible] call me when this guy was coming to Gitmo. He said he'd be a real asset. And he was, for about three months. And then when they came to office, he said, "Chaplain Hall, I want to tell you, it's not you, but I don't like coming to this chapel anymore." I said, "Why not?" he said, "Because the Lord has told me to leave Egypt." I said, "I thought this was Gitmo." And he left."" "" And one time in Cuba too, I used to play softball on the [inaudible] team. And so I'd go out there quite often and the guy in charge of it, the senior medical officer, was one of our son's school teachers. And so one day I went in, he said "John," he said, "I want you to meet somebody. We just got a new pharmacist in I want you to meet him." So I went to meet him. And just talking to him, I knew he was probably a Christian. I said, "You must be a Christian." He said, "Yes, I am." I said, "Good." I said, "We'll look forward to seeing you in the chapel." So, about four weeks went by; I hadn't seen him. But of course, the [inaudible] boys, probably we had maybe 400 or more in the chapel. So I thought maybe I missed him. Next time I was in the hospital, I went to see him. I said, "Bob," I said, "I haven't seen you in chapel." He said, "Oh, I don't go." I said, "Why not?" He said, "I worship." I said, "Where?" He said, "Home." I said, "You've got 23 hours to worship at home, one hour on Sunday to worship with the congregation." He said, "I may as well tell you. I can't worship where there are non-Christians present." I said, "Thank you for giving us the best bragging rights for a chapel."

""

""Zarbock: Well, I think your sense of humor carried you through many a day, hasn't it?

""

""Hall: Yeah.

""

""Zarbock: Yeah.

""

""Hall: You've got to learn to [inaudible] so that you can give walk to.

""

""Zarbock: Yeah. Chaplain, what have you learned, in all of your education and your spiritual travel and the demands that have been placed upon you, the responses that you've made-- How would you put together your belief?

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""Hall: Well, I, first of all let me say that I believe what I always believed. You know, I didn't change my beliefs. But I found out that there are Christians in all denominations. And I mean, people that are really close to you. And I've learned that I think that God can use you anywhere. But he knows where he wants you. And if I could still talk and walk, I would be first in line to go to Iraq.

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""Zarbock: You're a good man, sir. I want to thank you for a really very fine interview. And while we're on tape, I'd also like to thank your very fine wife for a delicious lunch. Characteristically, I'm not met with such openness.

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""Hall: I told you, we're a good team. She's a good cook and I'm a good eater.

""

""Zarbock: In conclusion, is there anything you'd like to say to the camera about anything? And then I'm going to also ask if you wanted to say something to your children. As long as the Planet Earth will make electricity, this tape will be in a vault at the University of North Carolina, Wilmington, long after I'm gone. You're going to get a copy of the interview, the DVD. But is there anything you'd like to say to your kids, or anything else that you would like to say?

"" """ Do you remember the story about the Pope?

"""

"""Hall: Oh, John Pope. When I was in Cuba, the Philippines they sent me a Presbyterian chaplain named John Pope. And it was his first duty. And everything he said was, "Sir this," or "Sir that," and you know. He was very rank-conscious. And so one day I cornered him in the office. I said, "John, remember, you're ordained by the Presbyterian Church. And in this office, I'm John; you're John." I said, "Outside, you should remember rank, but in this office, we're all equal." He said, "Good." He said, "John," he said, "let me tell you; they told me in chaplain school not to worry; just remember I'm Pope John." I said, "Also remember that the bureau, in its infinite wisdom, sent you, in your first duty, to work for John the Baptist."

"""

"""Zarbock: [laughs] Well done. Well done. Anything you'd like to say to your children? A message.

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"""Hall: I talk to them often. But I'm glad I was a chaplain, I'm glad that I had opportunity to travel, and I love them.

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"""Zarbock: I thank you very much.

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"""Hall: Thank you.

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"""Zarbock: May the Lord be with you.

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"""Hall: You, too.

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