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Interview with Hildalisa Hernandez, September 19, 2006
September 19, 2006
Dr. Hernandez discusses her career teaching at Wilmington College and UNCW from 1963 until 1999. She came to Wilmington from NCSU, following her move from her native Cuba with her husband. Her husband became a Wilmington College/UNCW professor of mathematics. She highlights changes on campus and in the Wilmington community. When she began in 1963, she says there were 100 faculty members and 500 students. Dr. Hernandez closes by reflecting on her life in retirement.
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Interviewee: Hernandez, Hildalisa Interviewer: Riggins, Adina Date of Interview: 9/19/2006 Series: Voices of UNCW Length 58 minutes

Riggins: ...Adina Riggins, and I'm here today in the home of Hildalisa Hernandez, who was a professor at UNCW for many years. We'll be hearing her story as it pertains to her times at UNCW. This is part of our voices of UNCW series and University Archives Denver Program. And today is September 19, 2006. Welcome, Dr. Hernandez. Please state your name again for the tape.

Hildalisa Hernandez: My name is Hildalisa Hernandez.

Riggins: Okay, Hildalisa without the H?

Hildalisa Hernandez: The H, would be don't pronounce the H in Spanish.

Riggins: Hildalisa Hernandez?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Very good.

Riggins: Close enough. Hernandez, is that right? Welcome. You were talking a little bit before the tape started about your time at UNCW and just to get that straight before I ask about your earlier years, you came to Wilmington College in 1963; is that correct?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Uh-huh, yeah. Correct.

Riggins: And retired in 1999.

Hildalisa Hernandez: 1999. From UNCW. I retired from the UNCW.

Riggins: Thirty-six years, then.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Thirty-six years, wonderful. Well, please, Dr. Hernandez, tell us where you were born and where did you grow up?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I was born in Cuba, and I went to school in Cuba. And I got my degree from the University of the Havana _____. And you know what? I was teaching in Cuba for eleven years, but then when Castro took over, there were no freedom for anything, and you know, we said, "We have to leave Cuba." And then we came. It was very difficult to come, but we finally came and brought the children. So as soon as I get to Raleigh, because my husband had gotten a job at Shaw University in Raleigh. There was a student of him that was teaching in North Carolina State, and he told me that I should go and be interviewed NC State to get me a job there. So we did. I went, and the man that was in charge of that was a very nice guy. And he said, "You don't worry about your English. You are going to learn English before the students learn physics. Since you have been teaching physics for eleven years, you will be able to learn English."

Riggins: That's something good to remember, that physics is very difficult for most of us.

Hildalisa Hernandez: It's not that difficult. When you like it, you love it.

Riggins: Wow. But I was going to say the fact that they had someone to teach physics, I guess they felt that was valuable.

Hildalisa Hernandez: It's too pretty. The physics is very interesting and very pretty. So you fall in love with it.

Riggins: Really? Well, we'll hear more about that. Was your doctorate in physics?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. Uh-huh.

Riggins: Okay. And so you taught at North Carolina State then?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yes.

Riggins: They had a position for you, and your husband continued to teach at Shaw?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. And then two years after we came, my husband didn't like the weather in Raleigh. He did not like the snow and the cold weather, and we saw an article in the paper about Wilmington College was going to be plans from the community college to a state supported college. So we decided to apply, and soon enough we apply and then we got the jobs. And we came to interview, we got the jobs. He was in mathematics, and I got in physics.

Riggins: And they weren't advertising from what you know; you weren't responding to an advertisement?

Hildalisa Hernandez: In the paper, yeah.

Riggins: Oh, there was. Okay.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. In the newspaper. The Observer in Raleigh, yeah.

Riggins: Oh, they were looking for...

Hildalisa Hernandez: It was very important because there were four community colleges that were elevated to state supported.

Riggins: Right. And UNC Asheville, and UNC Charlotte, I think?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Uh-huh. Charlotte, too, yes.

Riggins: And UNC Wilmington, and there was a fourth one.

Hildalisa Hernandez: The other one, in Greensboro. And it was become, you know.

Riggins: Becoming a four-year, or, right, becoming a larger place. So they needed you and they needed people with doctorates. That was the main thing.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Well, when you came here to interview, who did you talk with, do you remember?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I talked to Dean Crews, and I talked to the president, whose name was Randall.

Riggins: Talking to president Randall?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: And then Dean Crews? Marshall Crews?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, Marshall Crews.

Riggins: Yes. Marshall Crews and President Randall. Did you get to know Dr. Randall while you were here?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I knew him, but he didn't stay too long after, you know. But I knew him well. Good enough, you know.

Riggins: Yeah, because he's, of course, traveled overseas and everything. Did he talk to you about that at all?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No, he did not.

Riggins: Right.

Hildalisa Hernandez: He became a president here by accident.

Riggins: Well, why don't you tell us the story? I've heard it, but perhaps our future listeners haven't. Yeah, but literally by accident, right?

Hildalisa Hernandez: By accident, yeah. And then they approached to him and asking him not to take, you know, the presidency. And he took it because he was teaching at Chicago University at the time.

Riggins: Yeah, he had an auto accident on the way to Georgia?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, it was his way out. Yeah.

Riggins: It was just coincidence, and then it turns out he worked very hard for us and did a lot for us.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Yeah, that's quite a story. So, when you came, who was teaching in physics? Was there anyone?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, in physics, there was a professor there called Roland Nelson. But he doesn't have a degree in physics. I think that he taught physics in high school and then he applied to the community college, and he got the job teaching physics here. But that was it.

Riggins: So you were the only one?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. And they didn't have too many PhDs when I came. Dr. Corbett was here before I came, then Frank Hall in philosophy, he came when I came. And the two of us, that was it.

Riggins: Oh, I can imagine, yeah, there weren't very many PhDs. So, yeah, Dr. Joanne Corbett in English?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yes, in English.

Riggins: And Dr. Hall in...

Hildalisa Hernandez: The philosophy.

Riggins: Philosophy. But yeah, in...

Hildalisa Hernandez: And then came DeLoach; the chemistry professor, Dr. DeLoach came at the same year.

Riggins: Right. Because up until then, they were looking for master's degreed people.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. Before they didn't have anybody with master's there.

Riggins: Were many people coming in right when you came in and (inaudible)?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I don't know. The faculty was only 100 members, and the student body was 500 students.

Riggins: When you started?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Isn't that amazing? Well, what was it like teaching? Was it very busy right away? Since you were basically-- did you have to teach all the physics classes?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, but we didn't have that many classes because we have _____ engineers that after two years they transferred to UNC State. So I taught them physics that is, you know, calculus based. And I didn't teach any other physics at that time because we didn't have physics majors at all. So then, after I came, I start, you know, pulling for having a degree in physics, and then when I got the yes from the provost and from whoever it was, and we started having more students, and then we had a degree. It was a degree in physics, you know, minor in physics and then later on began major in physics.

Riggins: You led the effort to get that established?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yes.

Riggins: And did you get some help then? Some more faculty teaching in physics?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, afterwards we got one extra physics teacher. And then he and I taught all the classes. There was another guy that taught physics for the engineers in the evening, too, but he didn't stay there for too long.

Riggins: But who was the first one that came who stayed for a while? Who was the first person that you hired? Do you remember?

Hildalisa Hernandez: The person, no. Roland Nelson was here. But then I came and then after me, we have a Chinese that came to teach that was an engineer. He didn't last too long because he didn't like teaching. And then we had Clator came after. Irwin Clator.

Riggins: Oh, Dr. Clator, Irwin Clator. Yeah, I didn't get a chance to interview him, and he passed away a few years ago.

Hildalisa Hernandez: He was a very intelligent guy, a very good teacher, but he had too many complex, you know. He was a good man, very good, but he was afraid of everything.

Riggins: Really? Yeah, anxieties maybe?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, maybe so.

Riggins: Yeah, so well, what were the conditions like? You were on the new campus.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, we turned from the college into a university.

Riggins: Right.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, it was really nice, you know.

Riggins: What building were you in when you started; do you remember?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Okay. When I started here, we had only three buildings. It was the library, the main office, you know, where every personnel was, and the big top shots were there, and then we had one building which was for all the sciences. We have chemistry, math, physics and biology in the same place.

Riggins: Was that in Hoggard?

Hildalisa Hernandez: The Hoggard, that's it.

Riggins: Wow. And then Alderman had the library at that time; is that correct?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, uh-huh.

Riggins: The library and then _____, and then James Hall?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. James Hall was where the president and the people were.

Riggins: James Hall had the registrar and student services.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: So everyone, all the sciences were together.

Hildalisa Hernandez: (Inaudible).

Riggins: What was the space like? Did you have space for a lab? Was it a physics lab?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, we had a physics lab, but you know, the classroom where I taught physics were the same lab, too, because that was a big room, and we used it for that. And then, chemistry had the same-- chemistry had more room because the labs in chemistry are different. So there was a classroom, and they taught biology there, and they taught chemistry. And they had a big lab for biology in the same building, too.

Riggins: Okay.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Biology was more famous, you know. More people went into the biology field.

Riggins: I think maybe people think it's easier. Whether it is or not, that's perception. Do you think so? Do you think biology is easier?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I don't know. The people were more popular, you know. And in high school, they taught biology and advanced biology, and you know, the students get, you know, enthusiastic about learning biology. And they have a good group of professors.

Riggins: Oh, yeah. Well, the marine science is close by. But I think there is a perception that physics is very difficult.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, this is the fame that we have. You must be too smart because physics is too hard. I say, "You never try; you cannot say that."

Riggins: If you don't try, that's true.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, and the problem is that the mathematics is the basic, you know, and many people are afraid of taking math, and being afraid of learning math, that, you know, cancel the opportunity of them to go in physics.

Riggins: Right. Well, how did you handle-- you know, you would convey an enthusiasm, I'm sure, when you taught.

Hildalisa Hernandez: I did, yeah.

Riggins: And did you do demonstrations and things like that in class?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I did everything that I could do to make students like physics.

Riggins: Well, sure. Eventually there was a minor and a major, so it must have paid off.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Right. And you don't know how many of the physics majors had gone and gotten a PhD in physics in big universities there.

Riggins: Well, yeah. It's a strong program. It's been around, so it's not only...

Hildalisa Hernandez: And there were not too many physicists at that time, you know, so it was, you know, the driving into to any field that were not (inaudible).

Riggins: Right. And they could be leaders because there weren't too many people. What did you like about Wilmington and Wilmington College at this time and perhaps what did you not like if there was anything that you didn't like?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, really and truly men always have said math is not for women, math is for men, but you know, I tried to overcome this to the best of my abilities. I have to _____ that we can have women that are smart and can learn math and they can go into sciences.

Riggins: Well, that's, yeah, that's definitely something that you have to convey. Well, what did you like about Wilmington College when it was Wilmington College?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, the thing that I liked the best was that the classes were very small, you know, and then we were more in touch with the students, you know. We became like a family, and the students felt that they could have approach to us and we were not trying to show how smart we were. We were trying to show that yes, they could learn physics.

Riggins: What did you think of Wilmington when you came?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, Wilmington was a ghost town, but there was a beach, that we loved the beach. But it was easy to live in Wilmington at that time, you know. There was not much traffic, and the kids, the schools were good. The elementary school was good. They could walk to school, my children, so they have a lot of plus for a family with children, with five children, so that helped a lot.

Riggins: I can imagine. Where in Cuba are you from? Are you from Havana?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No. I went to school in Havana, but I am from Maria.

Riggins: It's smaller?

Hildalisa Hernandez: A smaller town. They have a bay and they have a beautiful beach.

Riggins: Did it remind you of home at all? Did Wilmington remind you of home?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No.

Riggins: No, not really? I was just wondering if it did in some way.

Hildalisa Hernandez: I knew that if I left Cuba I couldn't go back because that was going to last a long time and there were no changes. And I didn't want to live in Cuba without fitting [ph?].

Riggins: Right. Well, you were here for a long time and saw many, many changes. I can't even begin to ask about the changes, but I guess I can start to ask about the change into a university in 1969.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, 1969.

Riggins: When it officially became part of the university system. Dr. Wagoner stepped in.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Dr. Wagoner was the first, yeah.

Riggins: As the first chancellor. He had been president for a year and then he was chancellor.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Then he became the chancellor, yeah.

Riggins: What do you remember about those times or the '70s, you know?

Hildalisa Hernandez: We were a big family, you know. All the departments are like a big family. They were very friendly. They tried to help as much as they could, you know, because we wanted the school to grow. And my friends, when I came and said I will grow with it, I will be seeing the school growing, and I will grow with it.

Riggins: Did you ever imagine it would be this big? No? Why not?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Why not?

Riggins: Up to perhaps almost 12 thousand undergraduates?

Hildalisa Hernandez: It will happen when we start thinking that we have to reach 12 thousand students, I thought it was going to take a long time, but it didn't take that long.

Riggins: No, no. It was probably, when you retired in '99, it was probably not far from 11 thousand.

Hildalisa Hernandez: It started growing and growing and growing faster, you know, very fast.

Riggins: Well, who were some of the people who you worked with while you were here or who you remember fondly, some of the other faculty members?

Hildalisa Hernandez: From all the departments?

Riggins: Yeah.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, I had good relationship with many. Like, you know, in biology department, Dr. Plyler was my friend, and he was very good. And then from the math department, Dr. Trony [ph?]. And then Thad Dankel, too, when he came. He died not too...

Riggins: Who's that?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Dankel.

Riggins: Oh, Thad Dankel, yes.

Hildalisa Hernandez: He died not too long ago. And Fred Tony [ph?] was really good. He died, too, a long time ago. And, you know, that was it. Thomas Lupton.

Riggins: Yes, in mathematics.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Thomas Brown. Yeah, from mathematics. I worked closely to math all the time, you know.

Riggins: Yeah, and in biology, they had to take physics for-- the majors had to take physics, right?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yes, but they didn't take physics with calculus. They took physics without calculus, you know.

Riggins: Really?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Because we have two levels of physics.

Riggins: So the bio majors?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: But the chemistry majors?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Chemistry majors had to take, for the BS, they took the calculus based. For the BA, they took the noncalculus based.

Riggins: It still might be like that. I don't know. So, in chemistry there were good people. You probably got to know those people over the years. Well, Jack Levy came in?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, Dr. Levy came when I first came. It was very soon after I came.

Riggins: Yeah, some two years after you came.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, so I knew him very well.

Riggins: Maybe you knew him at NC State? Or, I don't know.

Hildalisa Hernandez: No.

Riggins: But I can see that it was much more of a feel that you knew all the faculty.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yeah. They were close. All the faculty, we knew each other.

Riggins: You could all fit in...

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, and three buildings at the most so we get to know each other. Now, I live in my building all the time because they've got building and building and building, and it was difficult for me to walk around. I have a lot to do in my own building.

Riggins: Right, well, where was your office after Hoggard Hall? Do you remember? Where did the department go?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Physics moved from there to the building that they are still in.

Riggins: DeLoach?

Hildalisa Hernandez: DeLoach. We have been there for a long time.

Riggins: Second floor?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, second floor is physics, you're right.

Riggins: And it's still there. And there's a good lab there, isn't it?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: So, did you know Dr. DeLoach?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yeah, I knew him very well.

Riggins: Yeah, he was also probably pretty quiet, you know, kept to himself, but a great benefactor.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yes, he was.

Riggins: Of the college and the university.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, because he never got married.

Riggins: Never bought a house?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No.

Riggins: He just worked all the time, I suppose?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I don't know.

Riggins: Well, do you remember any of the debates about basic studies over the years?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yes. I worked with the basic studies a lot.

Riggins: Right. What was the role of physics in basic studies?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, physics always counted as a science, right? Because there the student has to take a life science and a physical science. And they could choose either physics or chemistry or oceanography, something like this.

Riggins: And of course, now the department includes, is called physics and physical oceanography.

Hildalisa Hernandez: A guy in the department-- because there was a guy that is a physical oceanographer, and then we had to change the name for that.

Riggins: For Dr. Bingham?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Uh-huh. Fred Bingham, yeah.

Riggins: Yeah, so, oh, I didn't know it was changed for him. Oh, and speaking of physicists, Dr. Alexanian?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Alexanian, yeah.

Riggins: He must have come not too long after?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No, didn't come too long ago. He came a little bit after I came.

Riggins: Not too long after you? And Dr. Olszewski?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Olszewski, I know him very well. He's by good buddy.

Riggins: He's your buddy? He's been there a long time.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yes, he's smart. Ed is really, very intelligent guy.

Riggins: Oh, I know you said before you had gotten hurt not too long ago. You still go to the physics seminars that they have on Fridays?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Like one Friday a month?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Sometimes more often, you know.

Riggins: Yeah, it's publicized throughout the university, so you always have good seminars.

Hildalisa Hernandez: This is very important because I used to invite everybody that offered me to come so they will know something about different universities to apply when they go to grad school.

Riggins: Right. Instead of just hearing the same group of people since it was still pretty small.

Hildalisa Hernandez: And I knew many people at UNC State, so that helped me, too.

Riggins: What about Faculty Senate work? Did you serve on Faculty Senate?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I don't think so.

Riggins: No. Any other committees?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, I had many committees, but I don't remember them.

Riggins: Right, right. It was just part of your work.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: But I guess they needed it done. What do you remember about Dr. Wagoner? He was there for a long time.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, he was a nice guy. But I don't think that he had, you know, the push that was necessary for what-- he was the president, and then he was the-- but, you know, but he was a nice guy. He did as much as he could.

Riggins: Oh, I think, also the provost at the time, Charles Cahill, he worked with faculty a lot, didn't it?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, I know Cahill really well. He's a good boss.

Riggins: Yeah, he's chemistry.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: And he was very, from what I hear, he worked with faculty a lot.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, he was a very nice guy.

Riggins: And he understood faculty, whereas Dr. Wagoner was more...

Hildalisa Hernandez: Isolated in the office, you know. But Cahill was great. I loved him dearly.

Riggins: Yeah, he did a lot for the school, definitely. And there weren't very many women at this time, were they, I would think, especially not in the sciences?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No. I was trying to think. I don't remember anybody in physics. You know, associate professor, they had people that were helping in the lab, but not, you know-- so they didn't have any physics. In biology, I don't remember. They start bringing _____ just to have PhD.

Riggins: Anne McCrary?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Anne McCrary was one from the old time.

Riggins: From the old time of _____?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. Because he came from Chapel Hill to here.

Riggins: Oh, I see. Yeah. And Dr. Plyler, of course, not that he's a woman, but he's also-- everyone respects him, Dr. Plyler in biology. But yeah, as far as women, there weren't too many on campus.

Hildalisa Hernandez: No.

Riggins: Especially in '63, and certainly not very many with a PhD.

Hildalisa Hernandez: No, because the only one that was here was Corbett and that was it.

Riggins: She was the first one she told me.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, she was. Yeah. Because she came the year before I came. She retired with the same day that I did retire.

Riggins: Really?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: She's a lovely person. But, yeah, she talked about how she was the first female PhD hired to teach at the university.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. Well, all the English teachers were master's people. They didn't have a PhD.

Riggins: Right. Yeah, so she was unique in that capacity. Well, what were your areas in physics that you liked to teach or liked?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I used to teach the sophomore physics calculus based because this is what the heart of physics is. From then, the students developed their love for physics. But then I taught mechanics and I taught optics. I love optics.

Riggins: Really?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Wow. What do you remember about the students in the early days as compared to 1999, '98, when you retired? How have they changed?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Okay. The students changed a lot. Because first the students were very devoted to study and tried to learn as much as possible. As the years went by, students changed. And there were only the physics majors who were really interested in learning the necessary math and the necessary physics. The rest of the students tried to get by, you know. And that was sad. It was not too pleasant to teach them.

Riggins: Why do you suppose that was? Why do you suppose that happened?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, because, see, for example, the computer science majors said that they didn't need to take physics, and they had to take physics, you know. That was something. Now, the chemistry students, for the BA, didn't want to take physics, either. They thought that chemistry was enough. But they were good. And the other areas that have to take physics were biology, and the physics that they took was all elementary, and I tried to make them go higher up because in biology, you need to know how to integrate and to have some physics, too. Because people said, "I'm going to this field and I don't need math and I don't need strong physics, you know." And then you have to prove to them that they need it.

Riggins: Sure.

Hildalisa Hernandez: And we get more people in chemistry that were PhD who were really good teachers. Then we didn't stop physics, you know.

Riggins: Even for premed they have to take it.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yeah.

Riggins: And on the MCAT.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, the MCAT they have the physics, too, want to because the questions that come are a lot from the 201, 202, the calculus-based physics.

Riggins: Right. So they have to have some, that's for sure. Well, so you liked your time at the university? What about the library? What do you remember about the library?

Hildalisa Hernandez: It was small library, and then it was a big library. But I spent too much time in my office, generally speaking. Because, see, if somebody came afterwards to ask me for help and I was ready to go home, I said, no, "I would go back and start helping you." And I had problem sessions in the evening to help them, and you know it was kind of hard for them to come because they work and were, you know, late, it's tired and hungry. So I brought the pizza so they didn't have.

Riggins: That was nice. That was very nice. Well, that reminds me about a question from the early days. Did you find that a lot of the students were what we call nontraditional students? Maybe they had been out of school for a few years?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Not too many in physics. Some of them, but not that many.

Riggins: Because I was wondering if you saw more nontraditional in the early years and then as time went on?

Hildalisa Hernandez: At the time when they were more freshmen and sophomores I did, but I didn't have too many of them. Might be a couple of them, three at the most. They wanted to get a degree in physics so they could teach physics, you know.

Riggins: Oh, I see. Well, what did some of the alumni do? Have you been in touch with-- do you see some of your former students around town?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, my God. Every time, I hear them somewhere, "Dr. Hernandez, Dr. Hernandez." And they say, "Do you remember me?" I said, "I don't remember your name, but I remember your face and the seat that you sat in my class." I always remember where they sit.

Riggins: And they tell you what they've been doing?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. Oh, they keep me up on everything.

Riggins: And some of them, you said you've had some students that have continued in physics?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yeah. All of them are always close to me. They have been in touch with me always. Yeah.

Riggins: Oh, okay. So some students who stayed in physics, and then, of course, some who went into engineering and in other fields?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, and some of them they have to go to engineering because they wanted to be engineers, they remember me, too.

Riggins: Sure, why not? Yeah, I'm sure they do. Well, let's talk about, if we can, your husband's career. What was his name?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Vicente.

Riggins: Vicente Hernandez.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Hernandez.

Riggins: And I've seen his name as well, of course. And he taught-- he started in '63 like you did?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, with me.

Riggins: In mathematics.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. He was a mathematician.

Riggins: What was his area that he liked in mathematics, his area of specialty? He probably taught everything, but...

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, you know, he was very smart, and he knew a lot of math. Calculus, three-dimensional calculus was his love. But he taught differential equations and everything, because he was very good in math. Number theory was one of his favorites.

Riggins: And he started in '63 like you?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Okay. And when did he pass away? Did you retire before he passed away?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. He had a heart attack and then he retired.

Riggins: He had to?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: He saw a lot of change in his department as well.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Not too much because when he had the heart attack, he was kind of a little bit away from the school, but he saw some of the changes, yeah.

Riggins: With the computer science and mathematics?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Did he ever get into that, the computer science?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No.

Riggins: He stayed with mathematics. Sort of like Dr. McLaurin?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Uh-huh.

Riggins: She stayed with mathematics.

Hildalisa Hernandez: And you know what? Some of the math teachers that we know are really good in computers, like Herman Ross, Gabriel Lou, they are great friends of mine, and they are very close to me. We work really together.

Riggins: Okay. Yeah. Dr. Greim, of course.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, Barbara Greim.

Riggins: Yeah, she was computer science all the way.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: And she retired right around when you did, I think about a year after.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. I was here when she first came.

Riggins: Yeah, because she came in '71. So, wow, you'd already been here eight years.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: That's funny. Because I think of her as having started a long time ago. Well, I guess one change was to switch from a quarter system to the semester system?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: That was a big change.

Hildalisa Hernandez: I love it. I love it. I don't like quarters. You start knowing the students when they switch to the next quarter, and then you lose track of them, so they don't have to take two quarters at a time. I wanted to continue with having semester. Semester you can complete the material, you know. In the quarters, you don't.

Riggins: So when you started, it was still quarter system?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, quarter system. But we changed it right away.

Riggins: Yeah. I think so. They had already gotten the status for four years.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: And what about any nursing students? Did you teach-- did nursing students have to take physics?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No. I didn't teach nurses. No. They took physics, but elementary (inaudible). I think that only once I taught nurses.

Riggins: So most of the time your classes were quite small?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, uh-huh. Well, the sophomore physics, the calculus-based was always packed, because everybody in science has to take that class. Because we have to section one at 8 o'clock and one at 11 o'clock.

Riggins: So you probably taught that every semester almost?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: You taught that every semester?

Hildalisa Hernandez: That was a (inaudible) in my life and I taught summer school and I taught both classes, too.

Riggins: Summer school? Yeah?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Did your husband teach summer school as well?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Sometimes. But I always had taught physics 201 and 202.

Riggins: Physics 201 and 202 in the summer. Yeah, I'm sure that hasn't changed. I'm sure that class is still packed to this day.

Hildalisa Hernandez: There are too many students. And I had many students that came from NC State to take it there from Wilmington, and (inaudible) them to come and take physics in here.

Riggins: And that's still going on. But they like to come for the summer.

Hildalisa Hernandez: They go to the beach. They stay with the family and then they take physics.

Riggins: Did you ever use anything from the beach for physics to talk about the ocean or...

Hildalisa Hernandez: We are related in some ways in all of this, but theory, you know, is in physics, though.

Riggins: Yeah, it's there. Well, I didn't take physics. I've heard or read a little bit about it, but I never took it. It always struck me as very difficult. What about support for the physics students? I think now there are more scholarships and everything like that. I think financially, yeah.

Hildalisa Hernandez: We never had too much of that.

Riggins: Yeah, it's a struggle, I'm sure, but there's still a lot going on. I'd like to ask you about a few more people from the campus. Do you remember from the library, Helen Hagan?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yeah, sure.

Riggins: What kind of impression did she make?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I don't remember her, but...

Riggins: Gene Huguelet also.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, Huguelet, I know him very well. And I saw him not too long ago.

Riggins: Well, were your children still quite young when you moved to Wilmington?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yeah.

Riggins: They were raised here basically?

Hildalisa Hernandez: They were raised here, yeah. See, when I came from Cuba, Dolly and Dora were 9. Teresa was 6, and Mary and Vincent were 6 months. So when we came to Wilmington, Mary and Vincent were 2 years. Teresa was 8, and Dolly and Dora were 11.

Riggins: Did you have twins?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Two sets.

Riggins: Two sets of twins?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Two sets of twins.

Riggins: Really?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yes.

Riggins: What are the odds of that?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I don't know because I inherit it from both sides, from my father and from my mother. And my father's father was a twin, and my mother had some aunts that were twins, too. Nobody else in the family had twins but me.

Riggins: I'm a twin.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Do you?

Riggins: Yeah, I have a twin sister, so I'll have to tell my mother about you. She'll be surprised. Were they both fraternal?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. They were fraternal.

Riggins: Boy and girl?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Boy and girl the youngest, and the first two girls.

Riggins: And the male, so you had two girls and then another...

Hildalisa Hernandez: Another girl that came by herself.

Riggins: Five children.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Five children.

Riggins: What was that like to have a big family? Two academics.

Hildalisa Hernandez: See, it was good. It was very good. See, because my children grew up on books and people know it the sciences that are the most difficult thing in the school. So they saw it, and they have help all the time. And we have to go to the teachers many times, too. So it was-- the relationship was much better.

Riggins: Yeah, and I'm sure having a father who's a mathematician and a mother who's a physics professor, you get the genetics to do hard sciences. And how many of them stayed in the hard sciences?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, Dora was an architect from NC State, but then she changed for ceramics. She's a ceramist. And she's in Arizona. She does ceramics. And then, Dolly got a degree in English, and then she went to school and got a degree in computer science. She's very good in computer science, and she's the manager of one company in California. Then Teresa studied biology first, and then she went to photo journalism. Maria was in math all the time. She was very strong in math. And my son never finished. He was lacked a semester to finish, going to be a history major, and he quit.

Riggins: He was going to UNCW?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. Yeah, Maria and Dora graduated from NC State, because Maria then went to Chapel Hill for her master's and Dora had the degree in architecture and then she went to Arizona to do in ceramics.

Riggins: The one who's a mathematician.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Maria.

Riggins: Where does she work?

Hildalisa Hernandez: She got a degree from NC State, and then she went to Chapel Hill for her master's. And Teresa was here, and she went to France for a year, and then she came back and finished here, and then she went for her master's in biology at Tempe University in Texas [ph?]. And then Dolly went to Albany and then she came and finished, and then she _____ to the computer science degree.

Riggins: Well, and the one, Maria is a mathematician for a company?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No. She teaches at the School of Science and Math.

Riggins: Right, okay, in Durham. That's what you're saying. So she's teaching.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, she's very good at that, very, very good teacher.

Riggins: Now how many grandchildren do you have?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Five.

Riggins: Five grandchildren. That's pretty good.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Two of them are in college already. One is in Appalachian. Not Appalachian, but the one that is in, what is the name of the other college you mentioned before?

Riggins: Oh, Asheville? In the mountains?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Asheville in the mountains. He likes to write. He's great, taking critical writing. And the other someone a computer science major in Arizona for La Vista [ph?].

Riggins: So, they're doing well, all of them?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yes.

Riggins: Well, was this a place to raise children? You said it was a good place to raise children? What was Wilmington like?

Hildalisa Hernandez: It was very good for small children because there was not too much traffic. Everybody knew you, the children could walk to school, and everybody knew you because you are, you know, the weird one in town.

Riggins: The weird one because you were the physics teacher?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No, because you are Cubans. And at that time, Wilmington didn't have anybody from anywhere else.

Riggins: Right, so it was an anomaly?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: There were some native speakers in foreign languages and literatures. Did you get to know any of the Spanish professors?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yeah. Carlos Perez [ph?].

Riggins: And I've tried to call him. I haven't reached him yet.

Hildalisa Hernandez: No, he's never around because he's a businessman.

Riggins: Oh, really?

Hildalisa Hernandez: He retired the same day that I retired, too.

Riggins: Yeah.

Hildalisa Hernandez: He's also from Cuba.

Riggins: Bill Lowe retired also, I think, in '99.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: So Carlos Perez [ph?] is busy, he travels?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No. He's busy. He has business. He's a businessman.

Riggins: Really? Well, I'll try and call him again.

Hildalisa Hernandez: You know, he has a restaurant right there that is called-- I don't remember the name of the restaurant. They say Cuban-Latin-American restaurant.

Riggins: Is it on Market Street?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No. It's going to Target. You know how you go to Target?

Riggins: Oh, Boleros. Really?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Bolero, that's it.

Riggins: Well, I can look for him there some time. Okay. That's his. Well, he's probably making more now than when he was a teacher.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yeah.

Riggins: I'll have to give him a call. I know Bill Lowe said he retired on the same day as Carlos Perez.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yep


Riggins: And Dr. Delray-- Antolin?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Antolin Gonzales _____, yeah.

Riggins: Yes, he was before.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Did you know him well?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yes. I knew him from Cuba.

Riggins: And you both ended up here?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, and then his son is a professor of Spanish in Boulder, Colorado. (Inaudible)

Riggins: Oh, okay. Oh, his son, right.

Hildalisa Hernandez: His son.

Riggins: Yeah, his son went here. That's interesting. I saw some writings, I think, or translations that he worked on with his son or something like that.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Were there any other native Spanish speakers on the faculty?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, Dr. Puente from Cuba, he's in psychology. Let me see. There is a professor in biology that she is from Cuba, too. She's a doctor, has a doctoral degree. Oh, my God, I know her. (Inaudible)

Riggins: I can't help, here. There are so many people in biology.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, but she have been here for a while. She does, you know, marine science _____. She got her PhD in Puerto Rico, I think. After you leave the name will come to me, you know.

Riggins: Yes, that's always how it is.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Ileana Clavijo.

Riggins: Yes, thank you. Okay, yes. And she's married to...

Hildalisa Hernandez: No. She's not married.

Riggins: She's not married. Ileana Clavijo. And she's been there some time since, for marine science. Okay, thank you. Well, what about people outside of-- well, we talked about some people outside of your department, but let's talk about someone, the first one of the people you talked to when you were hired, Dr. Crews?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, and Randall. And you know who else? Mary Bellamy was teaching Spanish and Cheek-- Mrs. Cheek.

Riggins: Ms. Cheek, yes. And Bellamy. We talked to her. She is a very nice person.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. I know them because we used to get together a lot, you know.

Riggins: You got together with her-- or did you get to know people in foreign languages or just you got to know everybody, I guess.

Hildalisa Hernandez: No, there were not too many foreign languages at that time.

Riggins: Right. But it does seem like that's-- in physics and in that way, too. That's one of the departments that we've had since the beginning. You know, we had Spanish, we had sciences, and some of these other departments are new.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Biology we had from the beginning.

Riggins: Yeah, but anthropology we didn't get until later.

Hildalisa Hernandez: No, afterwards.

Riggins: Social work we got later.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Later on.

Riggins: So there are some departments that we've had many, many teachers pass through now.

Hildalisa Hernandez: And philosophy began when I came because Dr. Hall came that year.

Riggins: And he was from around here?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Yeah, so you had a connection. But then they brought in other people like Dr. Megivern.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yeah. I know Megivern very well, McGowan, too.

Riggins: And Dr. McGowan, yeah. And Dr. Crews I haven't talked to in some time. I'd like to interview him. We interviewed him a long time ago, but I'd like to talk to him again. I don't know how.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, because he knows the story of Wilmington College from the beginning.

Riggins: Right. Wilmington College. Right. I don't know how he's doing.

Hildalisa Hernandez: I don't know. He's in a wheelchair somebody told me the other day.

Riggins: Do you come to the Retired Faculty Association?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: It's twice a year.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Usually I can come once a year because I go to California sometimes in the wintertime so I miss some of these.

Riggins: That's right, you told me that because it's too cold here for you.

Hildalisa Hernandez: It's too cold here.

Riggins: So you go spend some time with your daughter?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, I have two of them in the other coast. One in Arizona, one in Los Angeles.

Riggins: You're back and forth. Well, that works out. When do you go? In November or October, in...?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I go after Thanksgiving.

Riggins: Okay. Well, what else have you been doing since your retirement? You retired in 1999.

Hildalisa Hernandez: I haven't had a minute of freedom because I am Catholic, you know, and I speak Spanish, so I have been helping all the missions, the Spanish missions, because the priests are my friends, so I go and help them a lot.

Riggins: In Wilmington here?

Hildalisa Hernandez: In Wilmington, yeah.

Riggins: Really? So you help the people with...

Hildalisa Hernandez: Translating things, you know, trying to talk to me, so if they don't have anybody in church that understand what they say, helping with the baptisms, anything that they need. Calling to the doctor translating for them when they are sick or something like this.

Riggins: Oh, and this is through your church?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, people that I know from church.

Riggins: Well, the Spanish-speaking community has grown greatly in this area, more and more people. Not so many from Cuba, though.

Hildalisa Hernandez: No. No. The Cubans didn't come here because, to begin with, the cold weather, they don't like it. And, you know, they didn't have anybody that spoke Spanish, and the Cubans tried to go to places where they had more people speaking Spanish.

Riggins: A bigger community. But now, there's people from other parts, Central America?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Central America is many people. And Mexican, a lot.

Riggins: The accent is different, right?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yes, entirely different.

Riggins: Well, so you've been busy with that, you've been traveling some?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yes.

Riggins: Seeing your children. Well, we talked a lot about some of the people that you've known over the years, but who would you say I should talk to? Because there may be people on my list, but I don't always know what department they're in. I had to research the department?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Before you get in.

Riggins: Yeah. But who would you say I should talk to? Like Carlos is one, and you've told me where I can find him.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Have you interviewed Tony Puente?

Riggins: No.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, he's great in psychology. You would like to speak to him.

Riggins: Okay. That sounds good. He's not retired yet, is he?

Hildalisa Hernandez: No. He's young.

Riggins: Okay. Anybody from that who is retired or do you see people still? Anyone? Carlos Perez? I'd like to talk to...

Hildalisa Hernandez: You know who? Teresita Parra is Spanish.

Riggins: Yes, she's on my list, and I've been talking to her. Yes. Where's she from?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Venezuela.

Riggins: Venezuela, yeah. She's the _____. She's still teaching on campus. And she wants to do it, but there's been one thing or another, you know how this...

Hildalisa Hernandez: Every time she takes six months off and goes away.

Riggins: Yes, yes, so she says-- I was going to come to her house, and then she said, "Oh, there's some work going on in my house; why don't we wait?" But, yes, she was in Spanish. I guess there was a time when they were really recruiting Spanish speakers.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: And now, I'm sure now they...

Hildalisa Hernandez: Now there are too many Spanish.

Riggins: I don't think so. I think there's always a need for Spanish teachers at the university. And even the Americans who teach foreign languages have near native fluency. So speaking of foreign language, did you know Rush Beeler?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, sure, I knew him. The French?

Riggins: Yeah, he's a very nice person. I interviewed him. He knows a lot about the area.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, yeah. Because they are from Chapel Hill.

Riggins: A lot of people came from Chapel Hill. Sylvia Polgar in social work.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Sylvia Polgar, yeah, she was good person.

Riggins: Yeah, very nice person. She's still around. I interviewed her. And also in social work Delilah Banks.

Hildalisa Hernandez: I don't know many people from social work. I know the Savela from, you know, anthropology.

Riggins: Dr. Savela?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. And I know one of the other ones, a woman that is very good, Pat Lerch.

Riggins: Yeah. Dr. Savela, he's someone else I have to talk to. He's retired, or in phased.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, phased retirement.

Riggins: And Dr. Levy isn't phased, but he keeps saying he would rather not do an interview. I don't know. He's quiet. So I guess a lot of the scientists are quiet.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, some people are more talkative than others. But he was a good chairman. He was chair for a long time. He was good. And chemistry had Dick Ward is very good, too.

Riggins: Dick Ward, yeah.

Hildalisa Hernandez: He's very good.

Riggins: Yeah, he's still there.

Hildalisa Hernandez: And from math, you can have Gabriel Lugo that is from Columbia.

Riggins: Yes, L-U-G-O? How do you spell?

Hildalisa Hernandez: L-U-G-O.

Riggins: Yes, Gabriel Lugo.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Herman Ross is good, too. Very good.

Riggins: So it's a strong university.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, very good. And the chair of the physics department, Dr. Moyer, is an excellent guy.

Riggins: Yes. Yeah, he seemed-- doctor...

Hildalisa Hernandez: Moyer.

Riggins: Was he chair when you were there, too?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I worked for him right before I left. I said I'm going to stay until the final vote takes place. But I knew his curriculum fairly well, and he's an excellent teacher. He's an excellent man, very good.

Riggins: Good teacher?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. He's a very intelligent person, too.

Riggins: Well, I think some people stay for a long time. Dr. Olszewski came. He must have come in the early '70s.

Hildalisa Hernandez: He was recently graduated from Chapel Hill when he came.

Riggins: Yeah, and he had long hair?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, long beard.

Riggins: That's funny. Well, when he retires, if he retires, I'll look forward to interviewing him.

Hildalisa Hernandez: I don't want him to retire. I've been after him, don't you dare to retire because your life is in here, and you're not going to find anything to keep you busy the way that you are. Well he wanted to retire, and I said, "No, you cannot do that."

Riggins: Because his life is his...

Hildalisa Hernandez: It's that office.

Riggins: Teaching and research?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, researching.

Riggins: Well, and he doesn't have hobbies.

Hildalisa Hernandez: He has two children. One is married and the other one is still young.

Riggins: Right. But the hobby, the outside interests.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Economic interests is that, you know. He writes lots of papers in economics. He's very good at that, yeah.

Riggins: Stocks and...

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. And he's very good at computers, too. Ed is a very smart guy. And the Chinese woman that is there is very good, too.

Riggins: Dr. Gan?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, she's very good.

Riggins: Yeah, and Brian Davis, of course.

Hildalisa Hernandez: I have known Brian since he came.

Riggins: He's very entertaining.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Very entertaining. He's a character.

Riggins: Yes, yes. And then there's-- he may have come after you, Tim.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Tim?

Riggins: Tim Black?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah. He's a good guy, too. You know what I used to say? We are a bunch of nerds. I had no choice, you know.

Riggins: All in physics?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, you go to physics, you are a nerd.

Riggins: Right. Right, but you can all appreciate each other. And you're a nerd but, you know, I don't know. You all have well-rounded interests, too.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Yeah, you have to be good with numbers, good with data.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah.

Riggins: Maybe a theoretical, some of the physicists are more theoretical than others, like more to the theory side of physics?

Hildalisa Hernandez: I don't think so.

Riggins: No? Not so much? Like, is there anyone in the department who's like, studies relativity?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Oh, Ed is very good in relativity.

Riggins: Oh, Ed does that.

Hildalisa Hernandez: And Moyer is very good in quantum mechanics.

Riggins: Who?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Dr. Moyer, the chair.

Riggins: Oh, quantum mechanics. Did you do work in the lab or was most of your work with pencil, paper?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, we started doing pencil and paper, and used lessons and things like that, but then we started doing it with the computer.

Riggins: Well, I've gotten a lot of good information about physics and about Wilmington College and UNCW.

Hildalisa Hernandez: I hope so.

Riggins: Yeah, do you have anything I may have forgotten? I guess one thing the transition to Dr. Leutze? Did you get to know what changes happened with Dr. Leutze?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Well, Leutze was a big politician, you know. He knew how to get money to help the school and things like that. He has a good personality, too.

Riggins: Yeah, he was a leader, good leader for the times?

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, he was good.

Riggins: And now, there's a new chancellor?

Hildalisa Hernandez: There's a new one. But DePaolo, I don't know her that well. She's different, though.

Riggins: Yeah? Has she gotten to know any of the faculty, retired faculty?

Hildalisa Hernandez: She had gone to the meetings once in a while.

Riggins: Right. She's very outgoing. Well, I thank you for your time. And I'll be sure to get you a DVD copy. Would you like more than one so you can give one...

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yeah, send me two, please.

Riggins: Sure. Two DVD copies, and you can share one when you go out west to see your family.

Hildalisa Hernandez: Yes.

Riggins: Thank you very much, Dr. Hernandez.

Hildalisa Hernandez: You are very welcome.

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